Michael Tsarion Threatens to Kick Chris White’s Ass for Exposing Him
Outlaw News
December 16, 2007
New Age guru Michael Tsarion, who has recently been publicly exposed as a Freemason and generational occultist, has threatened physical violence against one of the people who assisted this exposure - Chris White, of the ‘Nowhere to Run’ internet radio show, who recently did a show on Tsarion’s occult connections, noting among other things that he is an admitted member of the Rosicrucian Order.
This show was brought up on Tsarion’s forum, and rather than respond to any of the facts brought up by Chris, Tsarion simply called him “trash who has emerged from his fucking toilet” and then stated that “the only debate i’ll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist” (entire response posted below).
Though this comment was somewhat offhand, and not something one would really take to court as a threat of assault, it shows Tsarion’s mindset. By degrading Chris with Ad Hominem attacks, Tsarion claims that he has no obligation to respond to any of the facts he brought up.
When I tried to go on his forum and bring up some of the facts mentioned on the show, my comment was denied approval by one of the Admins. This doesn’t surprise me. If you go on his forum, you will see that people are talking about the show, but none of them have said one word about the actual content of it. This is because any mention of the facts brought up in the show is disallowed from Michael Tsarion’s forum. I encourage anyone who doubts this to go and try to post something negative about “Mtsar” on his forum.
His forum is filled with people who follow him with religious fervor, and on my own forum, I have found that his followers will viciously attack anyone who mentions anything negative about their great spiritual leader. This is no different from the behavior of the members of any other cult.
All of this is simply further proof of what those of us in the know were already well aware of: Michael Tsarion is a fake and a shill, put out by the powers that be to mix fact with fiction and create mass confusion among our movement. He promotes the belief in aliens as well as a mass of other occult garbage including tarot cards and astrology. He also promotes the Rothschild funded philosophy of Theosophy, and is an apologist for the very high Freemason and founder of the OTO, Aliester Crowley, who it is recently declassified was a paid agent of MI-6.
Alan Watt, though apparently hesitant to say all he knows about this situation, has several times indicated that Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and the rest of that little club are all disinformation agents, put out there to mix the truth with the sci-fi/fantasy world of the New Age religion. Here is a recent interview where Alan discusses this.
It is also worth noting that Tsarion’s forum is hosted by Red Ice Creations, the Admin of which, Henrik Palmgren, does a radio show where Michael Tsarion is a regular guest. Alan Watt used to appear on this show every month, but recently he has stopped being invited, claiming on his own show which airs on RBN that this was due to the fact that he refused to go along with the “alien agenda” propaganda which most of the Red Ice guests promote. I like the guy, and we regularly like to each others sites, but apparently, Henrik has become a member of the club.
Chris White is a friend of mine, and after the threats and hateful statements which Tsarion has made against him, this issue is pretty close to home; I also feel that the people doing what he is doing, sabotaging our movement from within, are actually more damaging that the attacks from without. I am going to continue to do everything I can to make sure this man is fully exposed, so as he is no longer able to harm people with his psychologically and spiritually destructive propaganda.
-Andre
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Here is Tsarion’s full explaination of why he will not respond to the facts brought up on Chris White’s show, from his forum (this will probably removed when attention is drawn to it):
do any of you know what a true “critic” really is? it appears not.
some skinflint muckslinger has a bash at a few short free webstreams and that is now regarded as criticism. he has not the dvds, and has not bought the book. that is obvious. a few errors is all he can summon to mucksling at.
he did not contact me like a decent respectful being, and ask me personally about all this. he launched a vicious online attack hoping to be somebody by slander, slander of someone who actually has achieved important things.
these vermin are a dime a dozen. they’ll can spew what they want, and mucksling, and waste valuable time.
my work has been complimented by veterans in the field of research from every part of the globe. and i don’t even need or require these people’s endorsement, although its nice when it comes from a sincere person.
this undereducated, spluttering inarticulate christian (not) moron needs to shut his cakehole, and stop making a total idiot of himself. but being so terribly desperate for attention, this is the way ENVIOUS people go about. the only debate i’ll give this pathetic specimen is with my fist.
send the creature these two articles, and ask him to comment on me, and say i’m a disinformationalist or a servant of the illuminati.
http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons.html
http://www.taroscopes.com/highwindowsarticles/shiva-holyspirit-ageofaquarius.htmlask
ask this genius of criticism, to show me his articles. ask him to prove he is not a servant of the secret societies that are clearly out to silence the servants of truth?
exposed, am i? the sewer rat does not even know the meaning of the word. he could not find a tit in a whore house.
Discuss it on the Outlaw Forums
December 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
comon;;;;;; now.tasrion is a good guy,even if he is in a gang hes still a good guy.crowley is not all evil.even tho he did make that bitch fuck a goat,then kill da goat. i mean all this new age stuff is interesting,and not all that bad.i mean WWRAWD what would robert anton wilson do. NOt give a fuck.so jus dont give a fuck and dont even believe anything ,not even urself
December 17th, 2007 at 10:57 am
I think it is healthy to question all sources of information, and Michael Tsarion is no exception. However, you are shooting yourself in the foot by saying that tarot cards and astrology are “garbage” … these arts have been around for thousands of years, Michael Tsarion didn’t invent them, nor did Aleister Crowley. If you are trying to reach out to people who are receptive to Tsarion’s message, you might want to re-consider your approach. I appreciate your opinion and your healthy skepticism, but you sound extremely ignorant when you talk about these things as being garbage. I would tend to think that someone who has done the slightest amount of open-minded research and experimentation into these arts would see that there obviously a reason why the practice of them has endured over centuries. What they are used for and by whom is of course another matter. You don’t need to condemn mysticism in order to call out a rogue in the midst. There are many people in the world who study tarot and astrology that have nothing to do with the Rosicrucians, OTO, Opus Dei, etc. Just an opinion, good luck to you.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:38 am
@thinkforyrself
I have researched it extensively, actually. It is all Masonic symbolism, and has not the slightest bit to do with ‘magikal arts’, not in the sense that you are talking about. That is all the exoteric dogma, given out to the masses, who have an obsession with religion, and an unquenchable desire to believe in the fantastic. Just because the stuff is old does not mean that it was any different in ancient times. Like everything else in this world, astrology and the Tarot have nothing to do with what the public thinks they are for.
Thank you for not freaking out, and keeping an open mind. Peace.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
[quote comment=”130044″]I think it is healthy to question all sources of information, and Michael Tsarion is no exception. However, you are shooting yourself in the foot by saying that tarot cards and astrology are “garbage” … these arts have been around for thousands of years, Michael Tsarion didn’t invent them, nor did Aleister Crowley. If you are trying to reach out to people who are receptive to Tsarion’s message, you might want to re-consider your approach. I appreciate your opinion and your healthy skepticism, but you sound extremely ignorant when you talk about these things as being garbage. I would tend to think that someone who has done the slightest amount of open-minded research and experimentation into these arts would see that there obviously a reason why the practice of them has endured over centuries. What they are used for and by whom is of course another matter. You don’t need to condemn mysticism in order to call out a rogue in the midst. There are many people in the world who study tarot and astrology that have nothing to do with the Rosicrucians, OTO, Opus Dei, etc. Just an opinion, good luck to you.[/quote]
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 am
Tsarion speaking of about our Forum made up of ex mtsar members:
Quote Tsarion: “with these particular kind of vindictive, unsane, psychotic, partisan CULTISH idiocrats, nothing one says can work to change their minds. they are their own purgarories and hells. thank god they have gone right ahead to expose themselves. of course, they think that pluto’s action is null and void, and poor old faker mtsar made it all up
HA THE FUCK HA
HA THE FUCK HA
the stupid puss-ridden, puke-drenched idiocrats…they are the 3d proof of the opposite fact. actually pluto/shiva had it easy, they did most of the work themselves. a good day’s work.
these are the most dangerous of all people in this great fight. the enemey is never our problem. these people definitely are. i have maintained this from the start. these are the deserters on our own side that truly serve the adversary. they’ve called their site PUDDING PALACE. in ireland, a “pudding” is what we call and egitt or idiot…they could not have picked a more appropriate title. absolutely perfect. they just need to add the detail that its a “slime pudding.”
good thing that every media known person has degenerate trash like this doing exactly this kind of thing. it comes with the territory i guess.”
Pudding Palace reply to Tsarion: “Well, Herr Tsarion, you could also say that the proof is in the pudding… At least we “puke-drenched idiocrats” and “degenerated trash” know now how the enlightening and much anticipated action of Pluto this year has climaxed…. The founding of Pudding Palace! Wow. Impressive. I expected something a little bit more spectacular, globally relevant and earth-shaking, oh well…… It’s always amazing and amusing how primitive, helpless and utterly vulgar such a great researcher can sound when confronted with a little questioning.”
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:50 am
[quote comment=”132703″][quote comment=”130044″]I think it is healthy to question all sources of information, and Michael Tsarion is no exception. However, you are shooting yourself in the foot by saying that tarot cards and astrology are “garbage” … these arts have been around for thousands of years, Michael Tsarion didn’t invent them, nor did Aleister Crowley. If you are trying to reach out to people who are receptive to Tsarion’s message, you might want to re-consider your approach. I appreciate your opinion and your healthy skepticism, but you sound extremely ignorant when you talk about these things as being garbage. I would tend to think that someone who has done the slightest amount of open-minded research and experimentation into these arts would see that there obviously a reason why the practice of them has endured over centuries. What they are used for and by whom is of course another matter. You don’t need to condemn mysticism in order to call out a rogue in the midst. There are many people in the world who study tarot and astrology that have nothing to do with the Rosicrucians, OTO, Opus Dei, etc. Just an opinion, good luck to you.[/quote][/quote]
I believe in astrology…..as above, so below. The Tarot deck is beautiful art that provides insight. No subject should be off limits, otherwise we risk closing doors to people.
I’m tolerant of Christianity. Please be tolerant of the divination arts.
December 25th, 2007 at 9:53 am
Andre, what are you doing falling in with religious zealots? God knows I love ya, but where is your head? If you are taking the lead from people who believe in the literal resurrection of a magical man who turned water to wine and walked on water?!? Hahaha! What the hell are you thinking? Have you been shacking up with Natasha? (… that’s a joke, laugh it up.)
If Tsarion is evil and guilty for dealing with Rosicrucians, etc., then I suppose you are guilty by association for all the crimes of Christianity. Deny being Christian, but what’s the difference? Guilt by association in most cases is complete bullshit, and cheap and easy COINTELPRO! We could all be accused of all manner of nonsense just by our associations with others here on MySpace. Where does that get us? This is the tactic of those self-defeating conspiracy enthusiasts who see the devil in every shadow as they clutch their Holy Bible to their racing hearts.
The fascist tactic of rudely accusing others and expecting them to prove their innocence in not very becoming. Nice move. Wrong direction.
Tsarion has done allot to teach others the meaning of symbols that have remained hidden throughout history. I’m not here to defend him. He’s a big boy. He can defend himself or choose to call his accusers out if he so chooses. I don’t believe all he promotes, but there again I can’t think of anyone I agree with 100%. That’s the beauty of having a free and thinking mind.
The bottom line is the proof is in the pudding…
In terms your new Christian buddies can understand: “By their fruits shall Ye know them.” Matt 7:16
So what exactly has Tsarion promoted that is disinformation - rather than his personal opinion? Or what is it he has done that your Christian buddies identify as evil - aside from denying the obvious myths they take as history? What is stated in your commentary suggest he is an agent, which suggests he is pushing an agenda. So what is that agenda? If there is one, that would be important information to spread so others could shield themselves from it. I don’t see that. All I’m seeing is vague accusations of guilt by association.
What are we to defend ourselves from in regard to Mr. Tsarion? Please state this valuable information if you have it. Otherwise all you are doing is muddying the waters and generating fear within an already fracturing “truth community”. I’m sorry but stating that his mission is to “create mass confusion among our movement” is a cop out. Who is confused by what here? I don’t see any single leader or perspective within “our movement”. I don’t see everyone following Tsarion. I see allot of people using their own minds to decide whether or not information/ideas are believable on a point-by-point basis. None (of those I associate with anyway) take anyone at their word or believe all any other says as fact.
If the mission was to create a new religion he and all the others you consider agents would be pushing the same story, the same ideas, the same talking points. You need all the sheep in line to get them to the slaughter house. I don’t see that happening either. Aside from that, why would the agenda be to create a new religion unless one understands that religion is a very affective control mechanism? In which case, why can’t your Christian buddies see what they are a part of?
* * * THE OLD CONTROL SYSTEM * * *
In my humble opinion, I would suggest your Christian zealot friends direct their ire at those who openly corrupt what they hold sacred, such as Pat Robertson and his despicable ilk. Seems a little odd to be throwing negative energy at Tsarion when there are much more obvious and productive targets. But that’s just me. I tend to be logical and logic is not the strong suite of the Christian community.
As far the symbols used by the various organization shown in this blog
http://illusionsforum.net/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=998 :
You will always see a crossover of symbolism between diverse and even unrelated orders. For instance the Nazi’s use of the Buddhist Swastika, The Jewish acclimation of the “Star of David” from earlier occult symbols, the Christian use of innumerable so-called pagan symbols. Doesn’t mean there is a connection. It’s an expression of the universal appeal of symbols, which is exactly what Tsarion is trying to show in his ‘The Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism in the Media’ video.
Symbols - like wisdom, like technology, like words - are neutral. They can be used for good or ill, to illuminate or occlude. They may be used in the light of truth or reversed in meaning. All depends on the context and application. Case in point: The Patriot Act. Not very patriotic at all but the symbol of patriotism is used to delude and misdirect. Is the ideal of patriotism somehow tainted by this misuse? No. Nor is the true meaning of the sun symbol of the swastika simply because the Nazis misused it.
What the blogger fails to take notice of is the most obvious symbol used in nearly all he’s posted. And that is the CROSS! Why is he not then accusing these organization of being Christian??? I mean, “Christian Rozenkruis” is an obvious reference to Christ, Christianity AND the cross. And the triangles could very well point to the Trinity, couldn’t they? If we follow his logic that should be the ultimate conclusion. Why is he not stating that?
Perhaps the particular brainwashing suffered by the author precludes accepting this connection which is most obvious to we who see the world without the blinders of Christianity?
My point is there will always be truths most easily and completely expressed as symbols and their geometric content and ratios. And those symbols will always be open to interpretation, misunderstanding and misuse. All religions and occult societies use them, as do corporations, sports teams and so on. They will always be around being used to represent different things depending on who is using them and for what purpose.
What’s more, the author of that blog obviously has ZERO understanding of any occult philosophies making his opinions next to worthless. He repeatedly states “wow more fancy stuff” when encountering ideas or words he doesn’t understand. Someone spouting half-assed ideas about things they don’t understand? THAT is disinformation, my friend.
So this drivel is the inspiration for the hit piece? Seriously? What a joke. Very disappointing…
Well that was a fun rant…
Have a merry Christ-mass! Everyone go blow your Illuminati Eye-on-the-Pyramid dollars on useless shit from COMMUNIST Red China in the name of Baby Jesus!
;)
January 1st, 2008 at 2:19 am
[quote comment=”129600″]comon;;;;;; now.tasrion is a good guy,even if he is in a gang hes still a good guy.crowley is not all evil.even tho he did make that bitch fuck a goat,then kill da goat. [/quote]
Well, if you think thats good. By all means, go do that.
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
THE ONLY REASON MOST PEOPLE ARE PISSED IS BECAUSE TSARION, ICKE AND MAXWELL HAVE PROVEN THEIR RELIGIONS TO BE SUN WORSHIP… I’VE NOTICED THAT PRETTY MUCH ALL “SKEPTICS” ARE ONLY SKEPTICAL OF THINGS THAT GO AGAINST THEIR OWN BELIEFS. NEVERMIND THE EVIDENCE. BLIND FAITH IN ANYTHING IS JUST THAT, BLIND….
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Very interesting information, Michael Tsarion invited me to speak at some bizaare conspiracy convention in Mexico about a year ago. I thought it a bad idea to leave the country and go to Mexico with people I didn’t know, especiually since there weren’t any other so-called “anti-Semites,” a label I have been pegged with, which in this day and age means nothing more than a critic or organized Jewry/Internationalism/Zionism/Israel.
January 5th, 2008 at 10:07 am
I tend to belive most of these people in the so called truth movement are fraudsters. But as we all know god works in mysteirious ways and if the say 70% truth and 30% fiction thats still 70% of truth that we didnt know before and they are telling us now. it just takes a intellegent individual to sort out the one from the other.
THINK FOR YOURSELF dont follow any fake messiah the knowledge is within you and only you can unlock it
January 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Agree w/POLYMORPH
January 12th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Sounds like the only ones obsessed with Michael Tsarion are the people running outlawjournalism.
You call this garbage journalism? Stop leeching from the success of others.
January 15th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2008/01/christian-fear-heats-up-contrived.html
January 16th, 2008 at 12:10 am
http://revver.com/video/591880/servitude-and-taxation-happy-fkn-newz-year/
“To sum up:1. The cosmos is a gigantic fly-wheel making 10000 revolutions a minute. 2. Man is a sick fly taking a dizzy ride on it. 3. Religion is the theory that the wheel was designed and set spinning to give him the ride.” H.L. Mencken
“I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind — that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overborne by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking.” H.L. Mencken
“We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart” H.L. Mencken
“On the surface, [holy scriptures] may appear to have been composed as conscientious history. In depth they reveal themselves to have been concieved as myths: poetic readings of the mysteries of life from a certain interested point of view. But to read a poem as a chronicle of fact is, to say the least, to miss the point. To say a little more, it is to prove oneself a dolt.” Joseph Campbell
“Religion, like poetry, is simply a concerted effort to deny the most obvious realities.” H. L. Mencken
“Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think.” Arthur Schopenhauer
“Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.” Arthur C. Clarke
“Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of.” Mark Twain
“Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.” Karl Marx
“Religion is no longer the opiate of the masses. It is the speed of the masses.” Akbar Ahmed
“Religion… comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.” Sigmund Freud
“Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.” Sigmund Freud
“Religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few.” Stendhal
“So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk.” Thomas Edison
“It is often argued that religion is valuable because it makes men good, but even if this were true it would not be a proof that religion is true. That would be an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance. Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is full of such logical imbecilities.” H.L. Mencken
“The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful .” EDWARD GIBBON
In religion and politics, people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
-Steven Weinberg
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
-Seneca (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)
“All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry”
-Edgar Allan Poe
“Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth”
-Henry Louis Mencken
“I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion”
-Albert Einstein
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins
January 17th, 2008 at 3:24 am
You surely have no inner light Andre. Rather think you and Alan have the disinformationist freemasonic roles to play. Deceiver of the day!
January 17th, 2008 at 4:11 am
Andre, if u can only swim in the shallow intelectual levels of Alan Watt, then don’t be a childish bitch and whine about the depth of where the professionals go swimming.
why don’t you go back and hang out with the likes of Hal Turner (always making up BS of how you have some proof, but never showing it, and then pointing to some forgery thinking all your audience is stupid. Hal Turner got exposed, you’ll be too…very soon, we’re on to you now) in some Vatican created agency/church and pray to your Amen-Ra.
may I suggest a new hobby…NWO created story of “man-made-global-warming” is actually real!!! so try to be an environ-MENTAL-ist and stop thinking all together……..NO NO, don’t even try, it will be a waste of energy and it is not good for the planet.
I wonder how you would react if people forged your voice and editted it to make it seem like you said something that you didn’t. you’d be very rude and alot more “violet” than Michale Tsarion.
and F U for picking on Jordan Maxwell….you ungreateful, stupid, mofo
January 18th, 2008 at 2:15 am
Anyone who follows Michael Tsarion in a cult-like manner is not really ‘practicing’ what Michael preaches.
How many times does Michael Tsarion have to say, in his Red-Ice interviews, “Don’t take my word for it”, “I don’t want to be a guru”, “Think for yourself”?
He even talks about people coming to him asking him to solve their lifes problems and he tells them ‘No. Think for yourself’, etc.
Also,
what’s wrong with being a Rosicrucian?
What’s wrong with being a FreeMason?
What’s wrong with being interested in the Occult?
What’s wrong with Theosophy?
What’s wrong with ‘New Age’?
You can’t just point out these things and expect anyone to be horrified as if it’s ‘Evil’, like christians do with anything that’s non-christian.
No, I’m not a ‘follower’ of Michael Tsarion.
I do listen out for everything he says, and I enjoy it all, but I don’t automatically agree with all of it (eg. Akhenaton was Moses, a large cornerstone in Tsarion’s work - I think the truth is closer to Freud’s theory on that one), which I’m sure he’d be glad of.
I take anything interesting I hear, from anyone, as just ‘interesting’, and then go and try to find more out about it from other sources.
Also, don’t be shocked at the language of Michael’s reply. He’s from the streets, not your average, peace, love and mung beans, new-age hippy type.
It’s about time we had some down to earth gutsy people in this field.
January 18th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
look- Tsarion misquoted the bible to suit his own needs. not just once, but many times. it just took someone who has actually studied the bible, namely a christian, to expose him. now if he has twisted up the bible’s words so much, what else is he guilty of? the guy has been caught in a lie, and his true colors show when he spews the out the vitriolic attacks instead of truly defending his beliefs.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:04 am
How interesting. I would not call myself a ‘christian’ or any other label but I do sympathise with anyone ‘getting on the wrong side’ of Mr Bigstuff, Tsarion. I was quite a fan and followed his work over the past 3 years; there was/is a lot of truth on the general conspiracy side. However, I was peturbed by a couple of things bubbling under the surface. One, that he mentioned an association with Barbara Marx Hubbard (she of the Green Beret Brigade NWO/New Age Religion) and two that whilst he appeared to mock the new age, much of his work is classic new age teaching. I was never too keen on Siva and have graduated with wisdom from both my christian and new age experiences, with no looking back, thanks.
Prompted by an inferred slur against Adam Watt via Red Ice, I then listened to a couple of callers asking Alan about Mr almighty-ego Tsarion, on whom Alan did not comment but what he said (and didn’t say) prompted me to research further.
I sent a polite, light email to Michael T asking if he was still connected with Marx Hubbard and if he agreed with her. Here is the eloquent, mature and respectful response I received “what are you talking about? my personal life has fuck all to do with you. i am answerable to no one. mind your own business”
Firstly, I didn’t realise that his relationship with said woman was personal, meaning private as he’d already mentioned her and a search on the web confirms many links boasting of this and other odd associates. Secondly, I knew the answer in any case and there were many ways to answer my enquiry, other than with outright aggression - I was ‘routing him out’. Thirdly, this reaction was more suitable for an immature thug than someone who claims to be a ‘teacher’ and who calls for eloquence of others when presenting arguments on conspiracies.
The response posted to Chris is truly vitriolic and in complete opposition to adult debate; this man is full of bile and hatred. Oh, Hail the glorious New Age!
The raw and hostile terminology used such as ‘vermin’ is typical of what really lies behind the architects of the New Age religion such as Barbara Marx Hubbard. As Tsarion is so adept at symbology and etymology, I have learned much. To note: Barbara is from the same root as Barbaric and Barbarian: Foreign Woman, Alien, primitive savage, cruel brute, great fierceness and brutality.
Marx - Karl Marx - enough said and Hubbard as in Ron, he of Scientology. What’s in a name? All things vulgar in this one! BMH has stated that those who fail to fit into the new paradigm, ‘we’ shall kill. ‘We’ meaning the trained Elite corps, the Green Berets in the UN et al ad nauseum. The Christians, are of course, on the hitlist, barring those devout Catholics and pro-Zionist fundamentalists worshipping their Queen of Heaven/Goddess.
So, the viper’s tongue has unleashed its poison once more and Tsarion is naked and unmasked as the arrogant little shit he truly is. Funny how quickly you can change your mind about someone, huh? Shame that he appears to have corrupted Red Ice, so another one bites the dust.
Whilst it is tiresome to see in-fighting, it is also imperative to distinguish the real thing from the false because we simply don’t have the luxury of time. Tsarion has exposed himself as a meglomaniac and can be viewed through new eyes.
January 19th, 2008 at 10:18 am
‘Arrogant’, ‘megalomaniac’ VS ‘answerable to no one’?
Think about it.
Personal freedom, sovereignty, independence.
Why should he care what you want, snooping around like a nosey paparazzi?
He puts out plenty of (thinking) material.
You can either take it or leave it.
It’s your fault if you put him on too high of a pedestal, or laid false expectations upon him.
(I’ve never found a single author or ‘teacher’ who I wasn’t ‘disappointed’ with in some area or other. So just trawl for the ‘good bits’.)
So he doesn’t have patience? or politeness?
Why should he, or anyone?
It may be ‘nicer’ if he does, but it’s not a necessity. Isn’t it up to each of us to decide what levels of backlash we’re comfortable to accept? We don’t all have to be the same.
Have you ever comprehended his opinions on understanding and accepting our ‘darker side’? Not being shaped or constrained by societies arbitrary ’standards’ of conformity?
No, he’s a loose cannon, he should be tamed and brought under control…
Whatever, get over it.
January 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
The content of this dispute has nothing to do with what is really occurring at the dimension of the soul for Mr. Tsarion. For all awakened spiritual teachers and leaders, cycles will come and go where they must pass through many different kinds of “Gate Keepers” before transcending from one level of self-mastery into the next. The Christian attacker is the gate keeper Mr. Tsarion has called to himself in order to take his next evolutionary leap into greater self-mastery and self-realization. And the same is true for the being playing the catalyzing role in this drama. To see this any other way is to stay living in fear. Usually gate keepers of the caliber described here arise when an individual is on the threshold of making a dramatic shift in their consciousness. There are all kinds of Sacred Knowledge held in veiled states of consciousness that only becomes available to beings after they have attained a level of spiritual maturity and integrity. The entire situation is a Cosmic Set-up BECAUSE Mr. Tsarion’s Spirit is ready to guide him to new levels of self-mastery. This squabble means nothing compared to the beautiful gems of knowledge and insights awaiting release to him by transcending the fear that “attack is real“ as it pertains to his individual experience. The man-made ego or separate self is the only aspect of consciousness that sees through the eyes of attack and creates a strategy to defend itself with attack. Attack is an illusion, separation is a lie, there is no enemy at the level of self-realization and everyone has to transcend their gate keepers in some form or another if they are to continue moving with the evolutionary energies that are present on earth now. Its never about the content, I know of where I speak. The fastest way onward and upward is through Compassion and Forgiveness. Mr. Tsarion must have something very important to do next.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I wish you could get Eric Phelps to stop spamming. Eric…Stop sending me emails..eric swan
January 26th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Dear Craig,
Thank you for your replies. All of this interchange is quite public that neither you nor I may be misquoted or misunderstood.
I will not send another email to you without your permission.
I will continue to support your expose of Vatican/Jesuit power.
One response to your last comment below. The reason why Luther was not murdered by the Papacy was he was protected by the One Who as been given all power in heaven and in earth, the Lord Jesus Christ. This is not religion, but a historical fact as given in that infalliable history book, your Reformation AV1611 English Bible.
Sincerely in faith,
Brother Eric
—– Original Message —–
From: annunaki@fastmail.fm
To: Eric Phelps ; Troy Space ; chamish@netvision.net.il ; boots@meltel.com ; boris@borisgroenemeyer.de ; alanwattcuttingthrough@yahoo.com ; waltpatclifford@wildblue.net ; Douglas Willinger ; mytwaryor4jc@hotmail.com ; AvenueOfLight@netzero.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:12 AM
Subject: My reply to ERIC JON PHELPS so-called putting down as White would like it.
I didn’t realise my original quick rant would be made open, but I should have guessed haha. Anyhow seeing as some enjoyed tormenting me by it and making out Eric is some authority well I will make sure you get this reply. I would hope Eric makes sure my reply hits all he sent it to originally. I speak of the cretin Timothy White who was one who thought he was funny over this mail. Timothy White or is it Patrick? Keep boasting about being a vietnam vet and a citizen you complete loon. Have you made up any new stories about attempts on your life? Has it gone from the infamous 11 to now 13 maybe? Haha laughable imaginative ill minded soldier boy. Kiss Papal Kissinger’s boots lackie boy, did you hear what he calls you? You pawn of foreign policy haha. Still rehashing stuff already in ‘The Biggest Secret?’ Enough I’ve annihilated you many times in the past, your a pion not worth my precious life, see ya! I just had to get that one in folks haha. Oh one last thing Timothy, I have one name for you to hear, BARRY haha you like that don’t you.
Dear Craig,
—– Original Message —–
From: >
To: “Eric Phelps” >
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: BEIRUT TIMES: ANGLO-AMERICAN INTELL FRONT?
> Dear Eric Phelps,
>
> I suggest you study the work of Michael Tsarion and others who are of
> greater knowledge on the subject than both ourselves. Michael Tsarion
> fully explains this in the most logical sense and without religious
> indoctrination.
January 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Eric Phelps has really good info and he hasn’t fallen for this “Christianity is a myth” nonsense.
Tsarion is a fraud. Sorry, but anyone who denies Christ is a FRAUD, no ifs, ands, or buts. When you see the bigger picture, you’ll know exactly what I mean.
People may have good info, but the FINAL AUTHORITY is the King James Bible (at least in English).
Tsarion is another rat who scuttles away when someone turns the light on.
January 28th, 2008 at 8:30 am
[quote comment=”148262″]How interesting. I would not call myself a ‘christian’ or any other label but I do sympathise with anyone ‘getting on the wrong side’ of Mr Bigstuff, Tsarion. I was quite a fan and followed his work over the past 3 years; there was/is a lot of truth on the general conspiracy side. However, I was peturbed by a couple of things bubbling under the surface. One, that he mentioned an association with Barbara Marx Hubbard (she of the Green Beret Brigade NWO/New Age Religion) and two that whilst he appeared to mock the new age, much of his work is classic new age teaching. I was never too keen on Siva and have graduated with wisdom from both my christian and new age experiences, with no looking back, thanks.
Prompted by an inferred slur against Adam Watt via Red Ice, I then listened to a couple of callers asking Alan about Mr almighty-ego Tsarion, on whom Alan did not comment but what he said (and didn’t say) prompted me to research further.
I sent a polite, light email to Michael T asking if he was still connected with Marx Hubbard and if he agreed with her. Here is the eloquent, mature and respectful response I received “what are you talking about? my personal life has fuck all to do with you. i am answerable to no one. mind your own business”
Firstly, I didn’t realise that his relationship with said woman was personal, meaning private as he’d already mentioned her and a search on the web confirms many links boasting of this and other odd associates. Secondly, I knew the answer in any case and there were many ways to answer my enquiry, other than with outright aggression - I was ‘routing him out’. Thirdly, this reaction was more suitable for an immature thug than someone who claims to be a ‘teacher’ and who calls for eloquence of others when presenting arguments on conspiracies.
The response posted to Chris is truly vitriolic and in complete opposition to adult debate; this man is full of bile and hatred. Oh, Hail the glorious New Age!
The raw and hostile terminology used such as ‘vermin’ is typical of what really lies behind the architects of the New Age religion such as Barbara Marx Hubbard. As Tsarion is so adept at symbology and etymology, I have learned much. To note: Barbara is from the same root as Barbaric and Barbarian: Foreign Woman, Alien, primitive savage, cruel brute, great fierceness and brutality.
Marx - Karl Marx - enough said and Hubbard as in Ron, he of Scientology. What’s in a name? All things vulgar in this one! BMH has stated that those who fail to fit into the new paradigm, ‘we’ shall kill. ‘We’ meaning the trained Elite corps, the Green Berets in the UN et al ad nauseum. The Christians, are of course, on the hitlist, barring those devout Catholics and pro-Zionist fundamentalists worshipping their Queen of Heaven/Goddess.
So, the viper’s tongue has unleashed its poison once more and Tsarion is naked and unmasked as the arrogant little shit he truly is. Funny how quickly you can change your mind about someone, huh? Shame that he appears to have corrupted Red Ice, so another one bites the dust.
Whilst it is tiresome to see in-fighting, it is also imperative to distinguish the real thing from the false because we simply don’t have the luxury of time. Tsarion has exposed himself as a meglomaniac and can be viewed through new eyes.[/quote]
Here, here!!
I’m greatly disappointed with Tsarion since learning from Alan Watt what he and his occult heritage are really about, the missing details (again, at least by inference). This attack and stream of vitriol from Tsarion against Chris White does not represent noble impulses. Having listening to much of Tsarion radio material (Red Ice stuff, anyway) I could sense that Tsarion was a wound-up, rather arrogant individual and not really a humane sort of person, but certainly one playing the noble man of wisdom. I would like to say, though, that I’m a bit doubtful about the attitude of Chris White, who seems to be on the zealot path judging by his manner of speaking in this audio discussion from him:
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/enclosure/2008-01-10T15_09_20-08_00.mp3
The description from his blog says about it:
“Chris gets fired up about the disinformation mafia, and calls for people to begin to ask them the tough questions. and to put the truth back in the truth movement. Chris calls out Alan Watt, Tsarion. Freeman, and Sitchin specifically, He also talks about his recent discoveries that may prove Sitchin to be a fraud. The gloves are off. The battle for the truth begins.”
I agree with some points, such as with providing sound historical evidence for claims, but he does not admit the problems of antiquity on history and indeed the role of a church and an elite that would wish to suppress certain information that didn’t seem to support their agenda.
January 28th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Yes, Chris White is a complete joke. I suppose I should have known more about him before supporting him, but I still do believe he pointed out a number of mistakes in Tsarion’s work. He is not well read, and is a Christian extremist with a terribly violent and irrational agenda.
He did a whole show claiming that Alan Watt was a secret agent because he is not a Christian. He posted it on our message board and was refuted to the point where he ran away, refusing to discuss the issue further:
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=413
Also, his thing with Sitchin is totally stupid - Sitchin has been proven to be complete tripe by all of the other people who understand how to read the Sumerian tablets, it is a fact, these people will not even speak with the man, he is considered to be so ridiculous. He has also been exposed as a high Freemason. Instead of simply speaking on these issues, Chris decides to make up some silly thing about Sitchin faking a sketch of a relief - get this - based on the fact that he can’t find the original image on Google.
Anyway, Chris is a nice guy, and I don’t think he deserved to be threatened, but I feel the need to publicly distance myself from him, as he is a violent extremist on a Christian Crusade - and I do not support that.
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Well, sounds like you listened to some of the advice above. (wink)
February 20th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Andre, don’t forget too that Stitchen is a Rockefeller goon. That’s all I need to know about him in order to establish his credibility.
Also, this whole thing with Tsarion, Maxwell, and Icke…I’m glad I finally have some answers. I always wondered why they put out such great information that has really helped me in my life and my understanding of the world, but then they start talking about aliens?! Give me a break! That’s when I stop listening to them. I’m so glad Alex has asked David Icke why he’s so into that new age / alien BS.
To the Christians that are freaking out - you’re religion is pure BS, too. Don’t for a second think you are the one true faith that was never touched by the elite occultists and social engineers. Watch Zeitgeist on Google Video. Whether or not God exists, neither you or I or anybody else can confirm or deny it’s existence. It really doesn’t matter. But I am certain Jesus Christ NEVER EXISTED. He was just another fictional Sun god, so to the person who made that silly remark about people not liking the religion of the aforementioned “researchers”/agents - you’re worshipping a Sun god, too! HA!
February 24th, 2008 at 10:29 am
You people just don’t get it, which is really ok by me, although I would like to see more kind, peaceful and nonjudgemental people in this world.
If all you can do is blame, accuse and point fingers at others then you still have not gotten it!
Such fools are the ones who spend their energies on trying to tear down other people to make their own life’s feel more legitimate.
If strong language offends you, grow a set and get on with your life wimpy wine boy.
Not everyone is politically correct nor should be. Thank God!
Who said its rule or law that everyone has to be nice to intrusive idiots. Worry about your own life!
Mark
February 26th, 2008 at 6:31 am
I clicked through Michael Tsarion’s website in five minutes and concluded that this guy has some very high initiations in the occult. I mean his email contact is neter@ - Neter as in serpent. The Egyptian gods were the netters. Druidh was designated as the nedders. The truth against the world - well what is this? if not the signature of Druidh itself. Y Gwyr Yn Erbyn Y Byd.
If he doesn’t want people to know he is Luciferian then maybe he should camaflouge himself a little better
March 7th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Zeitgeist is a big manipulative movie as well trying to destroy Chjristian morality and goodness. as in “Throwing the bay out with the bathwater”
Yes Tsarion is suspicious, but so is Chris Fundamentalist white, and so is Eric “Gay, zionist denier” Phelps, and so is Sitchin.
The question is where does mailice begin (willfull evil, wrongdoing, lying) and where is it due to ignorance, or being fooled themselves?
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 pm
dgh
March 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
We all have a common enemy and that enemy is not any one man or any one group. It is the highest tactic of our enemy to subvert our cause (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness) by division. To Divide and conquer us… To get us to make war with ourselves and each other, rather than to make war with THEM. People either need to shut up about these little things or other wise get out of the way. You really think a group of New Agers is the ones who are gonna reduce the population by 90% Do you think in the end when compared to the bigger picture and the greater scheme of things that it really matters who’s apart of what group. We don’t have to wait for God, Nature or asteroids to wipe us out because WE will destroy ourselves.
March 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
If we are living from emotion centered on our hearts, there is no attachment to and criticism of this reality… even from the one being criticized.
I am disappointed that Tsarion, an obviously brilliant man, can’t muster better responses than he has…
As long as it is done with love for truth, I see no reason why someone cannot point out that a public figure (or anyone) is a member of a secret organization… good deeds are done in the light of day. It may even strengthen Tsarion’s work to have this background, if he centeres himself on love and service to all.
April 5th, 2008 at 7:07 am
ANYONE with affiliations to the orders and subsidiary orders of the ILLUMINATI is an ENEMY of MANKIND, if you people don’t get that through your thick skulls, you’ll be LEAD TO THE SLAUGHTER. This goes for Alex Jones, David Icke, Michael (Czar-Orion) Tsarion, and possibly even Jordan Maxwell. Be WARY of all that you choose as your CULT leaders.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:52 am
[quote comment=”139710″]THE ONLY REASON MOST PEOPLE ARE PISSED IS BECAUSE TSARION, ICKE AND MAXWELL HAVE PROVEN THEIR RELIGIONS TO BE SUN WORSHIP… I’VE NOTICED THAT PRETTY MUCH ALL “SKEPTICS” ARE ONLY SKEPTICAL OF THINGS THAT GO AGAINST THEIR OWN BELIEFS. NEVERMIND THE EVIDENCE. BLIND FAITH IN ANYTHING IS JUST THAT, BLIND….[/quote]
have you people noticed how maxwell has been eaten up by tsarion?
tsarion started as maxwell’s assistant, then he turned to making his own lectures.
look at the pictures where they are both present.
Maxwell looks drained.
I can believe that maxwell is a honest guy.
I cant stand tsarion’s energy. At one time i did listen to much of his stuff, even though i didnt like his energy. He comes up with a bunch of information. But just look at his eyes, or bodily expression, or tune on his voice. The guy isnt clean by any stretch of the imagination.
I ended up saying “screw this guy’s information, it’s only secundary anyway and what matters is his vibration and it sucks badly.” and i deleted all his files.
I suspect he is only a plagiarizer anyway.
And he kinda vampirized maxwell.
I kinda miss the connections tsarion provided to my enquiring mind but i prefer doing without them.
The guy sucks, just tune in and look by yourself. If you’re into satanism you’ll like him. He’s just so obviously deep down into witchcraft and his body language exsudes of ego and lack of compassion or dignity.
keep your info “mtsar”, it’s second hand anyway.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Bottom line is regardless of who says what, ” You ” have to do the research on your own to validate everything, and even then you still can’t be 100%. You have to take it all in and decide for yourself what to believe, as an American it’s the only freedom we still have. As well you can’t believe everything you read on the internet , you have to consider the source. The truth of the matter is we have all been lied to our entire lives, by our school system, by our government, and even unknowingly by our own parents. The truth of our origins and history has been well hidden from us all.
Michael Tsarion has shared a great deal of information with the general public and to those interested. Which comes from years of research and devoting his life and time.
If he is a disinfo agent or a freemason or whatever. THE FACT IS…. I have learned more from him in
a short amount of time than i have from any teacher or any adult in my entire lifetime. Even if the info was not 100% accurate it did wonders in expanding the paramaters of thought for me and opened me up to a whole new world of possibilities. Which has made me a stronger and better person.
And for that i am forever thankful.
Thank You Michael
April 15th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Hello, i was following michael tsarion for months now,seen allot of his lectures, i think he tells alot of truth.But somethings i do not understand, like why is there nothing to find on his persona, like we have a right to know who we are dealing with?Is he illuminati,or freemason himself?and yes he is very into marketing his messages and selling his dvd,books ect for alot of $$$.If all this info is so important to humankind why not bring it on for free?? I was on his forum for like a few weeks before they threw me off, because i was very critical at some points to various point of vieuws, however there where some people on that forum who started attacking me in a very vicious manner. They where calling me names and sliched up my posts ect. I decided to go on and defended myself from that. Then i got a private message from someone who said to me that i was in a very dark place and i would better go away because these “followers” are very fanatic and delusional. And indeed they where, next time i tried to login my password was gone, so i created a new one, then when i got into again to look at my messages, all my private posts where deleted. Then I sent a private message to mtsar to ask what’s going on here and he replied that i better not go into disscussions with his followers. I replied back at the forum that i would eat these dogs for lunch, cause they are just a pack of wolves. Then imediately my profile was deleted. Indeed it was a very dark place, and those people ‘’his fans or cultmembers”are really crazy, and tsarion doesn’t like critics about himself, he talks about ego and psychic vampirism but what about himself who is he??
If i look at his energy, and listen closely at his mindset, i only hear talk of negativity, absolutely NO SOLUTIONS to problems we face, or love of anykind. I now feel that Mtsar, david icke, and all of the others who are trying to wake the masses, they too are programming the listeners, they too are mindcontrollers. And the MOST IMPORTANT thing I found out about them: people who REALLY have something to say, like from the “inside” are killed or put in jail!! Go figure!! like William Cooper, JFK,lady diana, the list is endless, do you really think that if someone puts really important information out into the public and tries to diss\question the goverments or the queen, is not followed by the CIA, MI5, MOSSAD, or KGB for instance?? Think again, these people tsarion,icke and all the others ,are still alive and are not even threatened, so you better think further what is really going on here!! Remember always look at every side of the story before you glorify someone, it can be very dangerous!!And there is always an agenda!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm
I think Micheal Tsarion is hot and sexy….
I don’t care what he says as long as he says yes!
xoxoxoxox
April 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Just wanted to mention the true Newish Messiah
May 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Michael Tsarion’s work is truly groundbreaking. This pathetic smear attempt is not worth our attention.
May 8th, 2008 at 5:58 am
Chris you are just another mad man that unfortunately entangles with the rest of us ! we understand that you are a vampire and feeding off of the authentic man to sustain your emptiness! we also understand that you and the unfortunate others that listen to your karma are only in resistance to what is real . you are an ancient chain of borrowed trouble in my opinion and feel you need to start listening to your teacher instead of resisting him!
May 12th, 2008 at 4:34 am
No one should let another being stand in the way between the self and God (God being the only substantial existence).
Tsarion is easy to watch and he seems to presents the blunt truth in a simple and convincing manner. Conspiracy information can be a dangerous religion used to keep your mind busy with virtual pain deliveries; incredible “insider” stories seemingly researched and “true”. So much power, from individuals, is freely given away for no apparent reason at all. One should be careful but not afraid.
The depths of the soul can be kept under siege at all time and levels. Keeping the mind from wanting to see the reality of life in the wicked wheel. To listen to others doesn’t mean that we need to believe all that is said.
I agree that one can, to a degree, judge a tree by the fruit.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I watched that video with the link from the type. It’s connected with some corny clothing line. The man in the video can’t even pronounce Krishnamurti’s name. Weak effort.
May 31st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
One of MTSAR [=sigil consisting of the Masonic letter R, Mt sinai & satan?] or Tsarion [=sigil consisting of Orion & satan?] latest rant:
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and again its not really a matter of race or religion when we’re talking immigration. its primarily a matter of AMOUNT. one listens to powell, and he does not mention anything to do with religion or race. its primarily NUMBER that he concentrated on…that is clear from his very own words.
but did his critics hear that? no they did not. they took his concerns completely out of context, and skewed it as they always do, so that people gained the false impression they were meant to gain.
its amount that is the problem. its amount that ensures that a man and his white family can’t find a home to live in, or a school to send their kids. its not race or religion. its demographics.
the racial and religious incompatibility comes as an after affect, as a consequence, to over saturation. as far as i’m concerned a man can belong whatever stupid religion he wants. christianity to me is as dumb and evil as islam or hinduism. and they can murder each other as they’ve done for centuries until their all dead. okay, go ahead.
but my concern is over-population. the over-population of small pristine western countries by immigrants from immense lands with plenty of space. ironically, those lands were once colonized because westerners understood them to be rich in minerals and so on. so then how come those natives can’t exploit those same resources and develop their own thriving communities. i’ll tell you why. its because they are too fucking backward, and too incensed with their own RACIAL and RELIGIOUS hatreds, the likes of which western men could barely understand.
nah, they have no intention of working their own lands. go to turkey and take a look around if you doubt what i’m saying. nah, they don’t want to do that. they want to come over to the west we’re stoooopid whitey has laid it all on and now wants to run a garage sale and sell it off for pennies.
and they wonder why my car slammed into a lamp post seeing this side show.
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Source: http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewtopic.php?p=44616&highlight=#44616
June 9th, 2008 at 4:15 am
oh please
Chris ‘I’m a fundi’ White, Watt and all the others claiming to have exposed Tsarion are pretty late with ‘their’ revelations. Tsarions affiliations, his family ties to Rosicrucians, masons, theosophs and other dodgy characters were long brought to attention by a guy posting on the old ‘’the Forum'’
you people need to stop taking credit for research you have nothing todo with or even slightly contributet to. if you at least would have picked up from were this guy left and researched further, we the oldschool crowd could give you clowns some respect but you didn’t. you just took what was already there got on ya high horse, put on the shiny armor and are now busy waving the WE exposed tsarion flag.
that’s of course nothing personal, i even like andre, the guy knows alot and is blessed with a sharp mind. very shielded against all the new age brotherhoods mystical teaching bullshit they try to initate the public with. paving the ground for the new religion. plus he’s no christian wich is another good indicator of a healthy, critical thinking mind. you could go a long way dude.
now chris white is laughable at best. he exposing tsarion actually does more harm than good. plays straight into the ‘he exposed their sun worship religion, now they run amok’ counterargument mtsar and his cultish fuckbrains are peddling on. alan watt i’m a bit dissapointed with, i mean theres a guy who wrote some well researched overall quiet decent books about the PTB but when it comes to tsarion he couldn’t come up with his own research nor did he at least take the already researched facts further. he just took it and acted like he came up with it. wrong move my friend but luck for you that most people can’t cast their memory back far enough (2 years) to remember that all this tsarion expose information was long out there. shortly after tsarion really hit the scene and at a time he was heavely promoted all over the net. escpecially by red ice creations. those obvious luciferians. just remember folks, the truth movement if one can call it that is not just infiltrated by the brotherhood, no it is steered in the right, from an illuminati pov, direction. and most people are following like dumb little lambs to slaughter. hey but what’s wrong with the rosicrucians, with being a mason ? what’s wrong with tsarion defending blavatsky and crowley and the likes of ford ?
well if you can’t even work that one out you’re no help at all and another hopless case who’ll never even come near to truly understanding the illuminati. you might aswell join them physicly as you already gave your mind away to them.
July 6th, 2008 at 7:53 am
I like to be short and sweet, and to the point. Tsarion studies Rub against the fur of the general religions and popular beliefs. I find them to be interesting, and finally helped me to make sense of a lot of misinformation that I keep hearing. I was brought up catholic and found the all loving, all knowing, all powerful. That invisible being in the ski that watches every move, would allow us to burn in hell for all of eternity, god not only had real bad anger issues, but couldn’t make his own gold. Lets see, he made the world in 6 days, made all the trees and animals, made man in his image but no gold. Dose this make sense to any body??? My family was poor when I was young. My parents both worked and scraped to raise well behaved, and knowledgeable children. I remember barely having enough to eat because they would give a percentage to the catholic church. I always wondered why god needed money. Thats not all I wondered either, another was why would he rape a young girl force her to have his baby, who was to be the messiah our savior, and did he forgive of all the unsaved souls burning in hell prior to his arrival on earth??? hmmm!!
Tsarion studies make sense of what I have been raised to fear and shiver over and really did not believe to be true. So sorry Chris finding some mistakes in Tsarion work only makes him a man he dose not claim to be a god nor to be perfect. I would like to see you put together all the materials and lectures and put them together. What are your beliefs Chris? My father said that riding the tail of another man always leaves crap stains on the favorite suit, and that I do believe.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
QUOTE from above article: “This is because any mention of the facts brought up in the show is disallowed from Michael Tsarion’s forum.”
I just checked that out over the past few days. This statement is false. I’m sorry, Andre, I like you and your forum, but you’ve made a mockery of yourself trying to attack this man. He’s responded like an ass, but even his yelling a screaming at Chris White doesn’t negate the fact that he’s right. Chris White is an idiot. Even you denounced him.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:13 am
I have no problem with Tsarion being a Rosicrucian - it is high time we all learn about what they are really teaching & believing. I’ve been searching for the “truth” for 40 + years now and finally found someone to fill in many of the great gaps. Indeed the info imparted is shocking but true learning takes time to inbed; there is much to sift through. I am everlastingly grateful for this new direction. And it didn’t cost me a dime as I downloaded all of his lectures for free.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:33 am
I really don’t see what all the fuss is about , ok so he ’s a Rosicrucian and he out right expresses his
opinions in his works, so what! I don’t care if the man was the “” anti Christ”" , there is always something to be gained. just because a man(or woman) may be deemed “a lunatic” , psychotic, evil, or what have it, doesn’t mean they aren’t knowledgeable .
We all have minds, these forum post are a testament of. If your looking for the right answer, truth,etc. (or someone with it) you might as well be chasing your tail.
I think you can see where I’m going with this
As a student of life,
peace
Isaac
July 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Tsarion is trying to inform people that Theosphy has been infiltrated, that’s all, just as Blavatsky was going blue in the face warning the same thing. Look and listen at what he is sayin. If there is something you dont like do not thrw he baby out with the bath water. He teaches astro-theology and the divination arts. I don’t agree with everything he says but people really need to open their mind a bit. That BS about him being exposed as a Mason is silly and baseless. I don’t beieve there are any masons that have the esoteric knowledge he has anyway.
July 25th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I was in the Baptist church as a preacher for twenty five years. Now, I don’t not attend any church because of the lies and errors that are in them. If you want any of the articles that I have written and have sent to Chris White feel free to email me for them. Ophelan101852@yahoo.com I have sent all of these articles to Chris and asked him to read them and answer me with a rebuttal of his own. Well he has not rebutted them because he doesn’t have the scriptural knowledge to rebutt them. At least thats how it appears to me.
His approach to exposing M. Tsarion and anyone else is really lacking in any substantial evidence and has no scriptural support at all. When he “exposed” these men all I could do was shack my head and sigh. He could have as easly said of me that I know that your wrong because you were a Baptist and he a Church of God member. Thats how silly he is. I have had email debates with him and he never once offered any good sound evidence backed up by anything, written text, scripture, or any documentation. All he is, is a bitter misguided Christian that needs to stay in his Bible to learn it and not worry about others till he has trained himself.
Ophelan101852
P.S. If Michael and these others were in the Masons (which is very possible) then we can ask them if the are practicing Masons or not. Me, I am not a practicing Baptist so please don’t accuse me of being one.
July 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
[quote comment=”286289″]I was in the Baptist church as a preacher for twenty five years. Now, I do not attend any church because of the lies and errors that are in them. If you want any of the articles that I have written and have sent to Chris White feel free to email me for them. Ophelan101852@yahoo.com I have sent all of these articles to Chris and asked him to read them and answer me with a rebuttal of his own. Well he has not rebutted them because he doesn’t have the scriptural knowledge to rebutt them. At least thats how it appears to me.
His approach to exposing M. Tsarion and anyone else is really lacking in any substantial evidence and has no scriptural support at all. When he “exposed” these men all I could do was shack my head and sigh. He could have as easly said of me that I know that your wrong because you were a Baptist and he a Church of God member. Thats how silly he is. I have had email debates with him and he never once offered any good sound evidence backed up by anything, written text, scripture, or any documentation. All he is, is a bitter misguided Christian that needs to stay in his Bible to learn it and not worry about others till he has trained himself.
Ophelan101852
P.S. If Michael and these others were in the Masons (which is very possible) then we can ask them if the are practicing Masons or not. Me, I am not a practicing Baptist so please don’t accuse me of being one.[/quote]
August 4th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
If Michael Tsarion, is a freemason and a rosecrusian, then he is being totally hypocritica in his speechesl!!
His name definitely means something Tsarion= tsar=emperor ion=eon=forever and Michael= archangel there you go!! His stories are very intruiging and interesting indeed! Nice to listen too, he has a pleasant voice. But i don’t know who he really is, i hope he will be exposed too for the good or the badd!! We need answers for the truth we seek………….i rest my case, peace…!!
August 4th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
If Michael Tsarion, is a freemason and a rosecrusian, then he is being totally hypocritical in his speechesl!!
His name definitely means something Tsarion= tsar=emperor ion=eon=forever and Michael= archangel there you go!! His stories are very intruiging and interesting indeed! Nice to listen too, he has a pleasant voice. But i don’t know who he really is, i hope he will be exposed too for the good or the badd!! We need answers for the truth we seek………….i rest my case, peace…!!
August 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I am Irish and in my family tree there are also masonic lodges, you have no control of your past only your future, I don’t need to join anything but I know that I will be judged on my past and that of my family, I can be as nonviolent as the next guy but frankly, if anyone calls me a liar then he also better be prepared to pick up his teeth with broken fingers.
Michael is not a prophet he is “EDUCATED” he reads old things that were written down a long time ago so that people could tell future people what the traps of the past were.
If he is a part of the Illuminati then he must be the worst member on the planet by their standards of secrecy alone. He is telling you that your life is ruled by Symbols and he is 100% right, go through your home and you will find them everywhere. This black magic exists in the minds of the very people that control our lives. Bitch slap them at every opportunity I say.
I may not be the guy you want in your peace club…lol but when the shit hits the fan I’ll be the one still standing beside you. Sorry Michael if I hurt the cause, but I mean well.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:19 am
[quote comment=”154570″]Eric Phelps has really good info and he hasn’t fallen for this “Christianity is a myth” nonsense.
Tsarion is a fraud. Sorry, but anyone who denies Christ is a FRAUD, no ifs, ands, or buts. When you see the bigger picture, you’ll know exactly what I mean.
People may have good info, but the FINAL AUTHORITY is the King James Bible (at least in English).
Tsarion is another rat who scuttles away when someone turns the light on.[/quote]
Wow, Sounds like the inquisition! Just because some people are not submissive and subscribe to Roman rituals and being herded like sheep (Christ was the shepherd, hint, hint) dosen’t make anyone a fraud. Infact, as the story goes, Christ was a rebel who stood against the church and state. He was crucified for free thinking. So what you are claim is so un-christian that you kill your own argument.
Furthermore, Michael Tsarion is a human being. He’s allowed to get pissed off. If you were to tell me I couldn’t get pissed off, I’d call you facious! We’re free to feel whatever emotions we want. But I don’t need to defend Michael Tsarion. Hell, I don’t see everything his way. I see everything my way! But to claim some guy exposed anyone because this guy pissed someone off is what’s fraudulent here. And to calim they are a fraud because they are of a different belief is communist.
But that’s how you hardcore Christians are. I know. I attended Bible Missionary Christian Academy in Miami for many years. You are all still trying to force your beliefs on everyone with the point of a sword because the crusades, the inquisition and the Salem witch trials are just examples of an on going totalitarian agenda by the vatican and the illuminati. You are just a slave they’ve conquered. Well freedom is liberated thinking, standing up and being counted. Slavery is submissive thinking, sitting down and shutting up. Sorry, I am a free man. I listen to Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell and whom ever I want. And the only Final Authority in my life is ME!
There are no rats here Ms Alexandra, just Sheep. Now go back to following your shepherd!
August 15th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
first judge for yourself Tsarion’s work, not his personality.
i can find fault with anyone if i was looking to do so, who cares if he’s a jerk. what are you looking for a role model. judge not…
Precarious333
+1
its about having an open mind. all this personal attack is a side show, its purpose is to distract, now were debating what?
dont worry about what other people think and worry about what you think.
your the one pissing in the pool, way to help close minds.
but on a different note, blind following of anyone is a sign of immaturity and needy like needing a mother or father figure, unfortunately there are plenty that do.
i respect allen watt’s POV his point is valid, but whether you believe in aliens or not, its just one point to agree or disagree with, but everyone that doesn’t agree totally with “us” must be “them” an Illuminati spreader of misinformation. blagh.
August 17th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Don’t associate Mr. “Tsarion” with arts like occultism, astrology or the Tarot. As others have said earlier on here, these were not created by “Tsarion”, but existed independently of him for timeless ages - and they constitute a living reality for many, many people, independent of such figures as “Tsarion” - and this whether or not their practitioners care to mention their practise of these arts to others. I for one don’t tell anybody that I am involved in them. “Tsarion” is merely another “wannabe” cult figure, some bohemian who wishes to have a following of idiots that modern society overflows with, and milk good money from them at the same time. No true teacher or adept would ever turn his abilities into a money-making venture the way this fellow has. Like a horde of others of his ilk, he has his share of outlandish claims to make, twisting and discrediting genuine mysteries such as Atlantis and “aliens” and adding his own spin to them - which any well versed expert can see through and smile at.
August 17th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Its a pity that at the other end of the spectrum, from the likes of the foul-mouthed “Tsarion” types, we have trashy religious fundamentalists. No balanced middle-of the-roaders anywhere. Shit and punks everywhere.
August 18th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Can I just say….Wow! Good stuff.
August 18th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Most do not realize that their are both right and left hand path rosicrucians. Do your own research not just on a keyboard. you learn much more out in the field speaking with elders and such. Much of what michael tsarion puts forth is backed up by indians I have spoken with who’s oral traditions go back before the written word. and are generally honest. As far as new age and aliens are concerned jordan maxwell,david icke and michael tsarion are not new age at all. in fact quite the contrary. on the topic of aliens the above person aserts that this is also propaganda simply not true. Anyone that believes this planet has not been visited is terminally sceptical which is just as dangerous as blatant gullibility. aliens are a fact of life and a fundimental part of our experience on this planet. Proof is everywhere. In africa their are at least 500 tribes that speak about aliens and that is just one land. I could list at least 3000 tribes worldwide that speak on this with incredible wisdom and authority. the internet is no substitute for reading unpublished texts. and talking with people who have held on to the teachings of the past. A vision quest is a great way to meet non human intelligences. If you have doubts try fasting,praying and plant medicine just to name a few. Their are those above us. those below us and those in paralell realities all around us. Believing intellectualy and knowing through experience are very different things indeed !!! I would suggest ayahuasca to anyone who has questions about the reality of dimensional beings both friendly and not so friendly. Then you will not need further convincing. Besides we are not native to this planet anyway. heyoka ” rainbow warrior “
August 20th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Michael Tsarion has a right to privacy just like the rest of us. For those that are disillusioned keep looking for a cult that suits you. I give all of these guys one listen and that’s it…I think Michael Tsarion sees himself as merely providing the information . He wants to kick Chris White’s ass….who gives a fuck! Maybe White would be up for some fisticuffs lol
Tsarion is a genius
GW Bush - Satanic handsigns. Member of Skull and Bones. Gandson of Aleister Crowley. Mass Murderer. Let’s talk about that.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
sorry for the expletitive and the typo (” ,) lol
GW Bush - Satanic handsigns. Member of Skull and Bones. Grandson of Aleister Crowley. Mass Murderer. Let’s talk about that.
August 21st, 2008 at 1:53 am
Well, all I can say is that the time has come to go beyond the thinking mind (the agnya chakra) and into the space of enlightenment (beyind the saharara chakra) this is where we become our true selves - unable to be touched by anything or anybody. When many acieve this state any freemasons or evil forces in the world will not get a look in. Its about a state of being, not a mental projection of what someone is saying
August 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
It is so funny when reading “christians” accusing MT of mis quoting the bible. YOU christians re-wrote the whole thing and “mis-quoted” pretty much the whole book!
In reality “christians” today should be called churchians as they follow “churchanity” instead of the STORY of christ.
I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
~ Mohandas Gandhi
August 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am
[quote comment=”301276″]It is so funny when reading “christians” accusing MT of mis quoting the bible. YOU christians re-wrote the whole thing and “mis-quoted” pretty much the whole book!
In reality “christians” today should be called churchians as they follow “churchanity” instead of the STORY of christ.
I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
~ Mohandas Gandhi[/quote]
Very Well Said!
Personally, I think All the real Christians were fed to the Lions by the romans in the colosseum. The Christians today aren’t the real Christians. They aren’t as philosophical. Truth is not a priority to them. They just want to pay their money and buy a seat to heaven. lol.
MT is just sharing his research and letting us draw our own conclusions. That’s why I say I see things my way and not his way. Because to see things his way is to be a blind follower and that defeats the point of it all. That’s were Religious Organizations fail to enlighten. To them, it’s not about the individual achieving enlightenment like they claim. It’s about group submission which is what they do and specialize in. Dogma is their method for herding the flock. That’s why the Bible is replete with imagery of the flock being herded. That’s the message the Bible is sending. Be herded like sheep. A search for enlightenment is a quest for truth. So the only valid method is to Let the truth be told… though the heavens fall!
Searching for truth no mater were it leads me does not make me evil. It makes makes me a free individual.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:44 am
I have read carefully this record of this whole Chris White vs Michael Tsarion event and it brought up to my mind a very interesting matter:
Message vs Messenger
The world of servitude and patriarchy we humans live in for so long is a world of heroes. That means that it is based on Teachers (Messengers) instead of Teachings (Messages).
This is due to the fact that the male principle (the principle, not the gender) is target-directed, since it is the principle that is able to use practical tools to produce practical results. So, whether it be the threat of an enemy or the help of a teacher, the male principle of the psyche will fixate on the practical personage and kill the enemy or venerate the teacher instead of reflecting about abstract matters as the origin and methodology of the enemy (which would allow for prevention or protection) or the lessons of the teacher (which would develop deeper intellectual and spiritual faculties).
This is the reason why our world (our reality) is materialistic: because it is driven by the “one that does” (male principle of the psyche), not the “one that is” (female principle of the psyche).
So my view is that if we rediscover the paths within us back to the realm of “being” (the Holy Cup) aided by (and not commanded from) the realm of “doing” (the Spear of Destiny), we will be able to find balance and harmony with our worlds and with it, gain hygiene and protection against further imbalance.
My bottom-line, regarding the Michael Tsarion - Chris White event is:
Reflect (male) and Meditate (female) on the messages being presented to you by life, regardless of the person bringing them. If you make a true effort towards sanity, you won’t be affected by the person’s choice or even intention - you will be independent from it. Even G.W. Bush as something valuable to teach me if I “listen” carefully - and his intentions are clearly different from mine.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Words of wisdom from Ragnarok :
I believe………. whether or not we strive to drive the universe to it fulfillment…… its going to get there when its meant too…..we are mearly tiny molecules in the infinity school of life….. and its how we conduct ourseleves in the moment of adversity… that will decide where WE end up on this journey….
Love light and Peace to all………. Our Truths are only our truths today by our experience gain till today so who knows what tommorrow will bring and then another truth !
August 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
[quote comment=”305332″]Words of wisdom from Ragnarok :
I believe………. whether or not we strive to drive the universe to it fulfillment…… its going to get there when its meant too…..we are mearly tiny molecules in the infinity school of life….. and its how we conduct ourseleves in the moment of adversity… that will decide where WE end up on this journey….
Love light and Peace to all………. Our Truths are only our truths today by our experience gain till today so who knows what tommorrow will bring and then another truth ![/quote]
Daithi B:
I don’t think that the other extreme is healthy either. Harmony requires a Yin/Yang balance, a “be”/”do” interaction, without rulership of any of them over the other.
What I wanted to say was that in order for the “doing” (male) to be aligned with Nature it must be backed by a healthy “being” (female).
Apart from that, there’s one thing I would like to add to my previous post:
Organized religions are directed towards this feminine side. Most of them (the patriarchal) are constructed in order to shut it down so that the male principle may rule. With this, the person, dictated by its male practical energy, that can only understand tangible actions and results without the proper sustainability of the female energy, will be void of purpose but filled with the need to act. So, the priests occupy that female energy void within and take control from there by the usage of subtle symbols that trigger the Yang directly to do as it is told, offering the person a straight-forward purpose for the use of this energy to compensate for the deactivated Yin unbalance.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Ragnarok : isn’t balance the key……… to everything……….. we could learn a thing or too from Mother Nature as you said ying / yang ……. I do believe that we are looking and learning to achieve enlightenment …. and each is trying to achieve this, without realising collective consiousness has to be in balance too… but we will attain this… and I believe sooner rather than later..this generation have started to question everything… is this not a better world for this . . . .
I believe out of the dark, a light will shine……
September 4th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Regardless on what your individual religious beliefs are or if you believe in Michael Tsarions THEORIES (Thats right, he NEVER says that his theories are facts, he merely provides compelling information based on his research to back it up and ALWAYS suggest you do your own research and and come to your own conclusions). Also to not believe in Aliens! If you honestly believe that out of the millions of galaxies in the Universe that we are the only forms of intelligent humanoid life you are very ignorant.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:25 am
Tsarion is a good guy…
I’ve watched many of his lectures and keep on doing so because he speaks the truth. He has to deal with idiots like you that’s why he is getting tired and angry with this bullshit maybe?
Even tho you attack him and try to slant the truth, once i read what Tsarion said, it rendered your statements obsolete….
FreeMason or not…. if i could get into it i probably would, to see what i could learn, doesn’t mean he has to fuck over the world, also…. if you watch a interview with someone called “LeoZagami”, he is an ex 33rd degree freemason, and he says that the order has been infiltrated but mainly at the top level….so until you actually know what freemasonry is…..you should shut the fuck up noob.
Love the comment about originating from the toilet HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You fail….
September 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
I think a lot of the things Tsarion talks about are possible. Traveling through space with wormholes is possible. Aliens are possible. Demons are possible, magic is possible. The issue here is what to do about this situation of the NWO. And is it possible that leaders such as Tsarion and Icke and even Red Ice Creations and all of these figures are not being proactive enough about the dangers of this situation thus acting as gatekeepers. Chris White made an excellent expose of Tsarion and his connections and great reasons to be suspicious of his teachings. But himself being a Christian and saying we should shun and avoid all things powerful and mystical and occult right now is not the best advice when we the world is headed for apocalyptic slavery and doom. The Illuminati use occult because its powerful. But dont you think the illuminati would go to great lengths to protect real occult knowledge that actually could be used to harm the Illuminati themselves? Thats why they have a pyramid structure. Ofcourse they are going to protect themselves and not teach you the real thing and thats what I think people like Tsarion and Icke are doing, distracting us leaving us with no real way to win this fight. I also commend Chris White for making an excellent argument for the physical existence of Jesus Christ.
I have a few thoughts on why Christian morality make no sense though. They tell you to avoid Satan saying that its always bad, but if there was a such thing as magic and you could use that to kill someone who is bad. Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Wouldn’t it be great if someone had sold their soul to satan to kill Hitler? I think it would have been. Or to stop the coming of the apocalypse through magic powers of some kind? By all frickin means use magic powers to kill the elite and to stop 80 percent of the world from being slaughtered. In this situation conventional morals do not apply. The rule of Do not Kill is BS. Because killing a bad person is the right thing to do if they are about to go kill tons of people.
I think Jesus would think it was terribly compassionate to sell your soul to satan so you could get some power to murder some evil people. Thats the most unselfish thing ive ever heard. Jesus would probably forgive that one. Christians are bringing on the apocalypse themselves by being such Wusses afraid to break a single commandment. I am not saying that ppl should sell their soul to satan. Its better to pray that The Holy Spirit will kill the Illuminati for the world. The point being.. Something needs to be done to stop these people by whatever means. Watch WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW and the documentary THE SECRET. We have the power to change reality with our minds. We can stop these bankers from killing us all! Though ofcourse you gotta remember these elite publications are probably infiltrated and so is the New Age. You cant trust anyone to tell you how its done. You have to learn for yourself. But these Christians have their head so far up their butt believing the prophecy has to come true that they are leading us to our deaths!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
take what you believe from these people. Believe what you want to believe. Before you guys go taking all your anger and frustration out on one another maybe figure out why you feel the way you do in the first place.
Jeese. When did we become the type of species that just fights with one another to prove that one is better or smarter or whatever. Common people. Accept that we’re different. We are from different backgrounds so we’re not going to stand on the same ground as one another. The minute we try to make everyone else be like us it just causes more frustration.
in my opinion, just live your own frickin life enjoying the simple stuff without all of the chemical crap that distracts us from what we’re feeling. Find someone to love, forget about the American Dream and Learn all you can.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Listen here you filth mongers, Whilst all of you have been taking the piss out of the man, I have been in the studio making tunes to defeat the NWO, and writing new books and fictional DVD’s to further the cause of evil.
My new blog, here, I am most proud of
http://mtsar-fringe.blogspot.com/
ciao, M
September 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Who paid you to write that rubish, or perhaps your full of bullocks. It’s vary clear to me that your rather dull and ignorant, I hope most other people could figure you out…..
September 17th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Whahaha, how did you do that, funny blogspot!! You should mail it to the man himself, he would be very angry even more angry then he was on chris white!!!
September 18th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I have read all of these emails, you all prove that Michael Tsarion is right! With your tit for tat responses. If you can’t “SEE” it you are “BLIND”.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I have a question for Mtsarion, What do we have to look forward to? It just seems so hopeless is all!
September 20th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Elizabeth died in 1603 and her cousin,James Stuart,son of Mary Stuart,who up until that time had been King James VI of Scotland ascended the throne and became known as King JamesI of England.
With the'’divine right of kings'’firmly embedded in his mind.Unfortunately,that wasn’t his only mental
problem.
King James I,among his many other faults,preferred young boys to adult woman.He was a flaming
homosexual.His activities in that regard have been recorded in numerous books and public records;
so much so,that there is no room for debate on this subject.The King was queer.
King James was a sadist as well as a sodomite;he enjoyed torturing people.
While King of Scotland in 1591,he personally supervised the torture of poor wretches caught up in the witchcraft trials of Scotland.
In 1603 King James I, WASTED NO TIME IN ORDERING A NEW EDITION OF THE BIBLE.
All marginal notes were ordained [ ordered] to be left out,FEB 10 1604.
James then set up rules that made it impossible for anyone involved in the project to make an honest translation.
If you think for one second that you are reading gods word,THINK AGAIN.
CHECK LITERARY HISTORY OF THE BIBLE by Geddes MacGregor
The Mammoth Book of private lives by Jon E Lewis
Encyclopedia americana-pp 674,675
and many other books out there.
Michael Tsarion and his research is sound and can be fully researched,if you have more then a spark between your ears.
September 21st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
here it is folks - limited truth. hey mike is irish and fucking intelligent. it’s an edgy place sometimes and a bit passionate. he doesn’t have time for potz’s (and piss on you for being one seems to his general m.o. i mean, crass? yea. a gentleman, well - no. but then again, he’s being attacked by a potz (no offense) and he’s obviously made a decision long ago that he has no tolerance for rookies. the man’s a player. give him that. look, so he’s an asshole - maybe. (if your a potz).
but then again, when is the last time YOU wrote a 1100 pg. book on human origins that gives the irish a place in the sun? hey - that’s fairly original. and god bless him for being stimulating in a such a ponderous realm of questioning. so what do you got - oh he’s mason! oh he’s rosicrucian! what does that mean anyway? have you ever listened to a lecture by manly p. hall? i heard one on the iamblichus and it was brilliant as it actually talked about neo-platonism. wow! find that one hanging just hanging around. as far as mason’s go, well, tell me who’s gotten to the bottom of that one! are they all created equal? well consider this, andrew jackson was purported to be a 33 degree mason and yet he hated the rothchild illuminati bankers. so go figure. i mean, what lay person has the time to sort through all that shit when i haven’t heard all of michael tsarion’s lectures yet.
as far as christians go, the real ones are too busy out there loving people to get bogged down in some funky, bullshit, mockup like this one. i mean real christians just aren’t going to hang around a site like this and “expose” michael tsarion. being a christian isn’t about what you believe or what you think you believe about jesus or mike. it’s about having so much love and compassion that you loose your sense of seperation from others and you grow a soul in christ.
it’s about being “other-centered” and it’s probably the hardest path in the world.
hey folks - truth and love isn’t for punks and dabblers and potz’s. mike1 potz0
September 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Although you are right about the use of the Tarot, Astrology, and other mystical forms in the Masonic traditions, this does not automatically condemn these arts as being Masonic. Actually, these arts were originally created by great spiritual beings of ancient Egypt who used them to communicate with the Universe and to understand themselves. Furthermore, just because certain groups have adopted these activities does not mean that these activities are necesarily bad, just that people have their own intentions for using them. We need to look at the intentions of the people. Some are of selfish intent, which may do harm to others. But, others use them selflessly to help others. We all use magic, by putting out energies in the form of thought, is magic. It is good to always question what kind of magic we are spreading loving or hateful. It is up to all of us, we are all responsible for the magic that we spread. Thank you for your thoughts I hope this clarifies your concerns. Best regards, Lian
September 26th, 2008 at 2:51 am
if there are any people out there that belive in the bible, the entire bible, matthew 7:15 is a good verse that came to my mind while i was reading everyones comments. there is always a little bit of truth in a good lie.
September 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
WOW, news to me…I like the information Tsarion provides, and also David Icke.
It had occurred to me regarding David Icke, due to the reptilian aspect of his information, that he MAY be some sort of disinformation agent to put his stamp on the whole Illuminati thing and thus discredit it all to the masses. OR what he is saying is true and the outlandish nature of it all just is as it is.
I haven’t detected anything to make me think the same of Tsarion so far but I am shocked at the comments that he is quoted here as saying, whether or not the allegations are correct.
MY QUESTION IS, what proof does Chris White have that Tsarion is a Freemason or Rosicrucian?
I would like to see that because then I would think he’s a phony as well, BUT until then I would lean towards believing that the same could be true of Chris WHite, HE could be the false accuser paid by the Illuminati, in that case, if I was Tsarion I would be pissed of AS HELL at being slandered.
Where is Tsarion’s Freemason lodge then? If I was accusing him I would be sure I had 100% proof of it. I would like to see it if its TRUE.
Please SOMEONE take the time to post some sort of proof or evidence on this page and I will disown him too if what you say is true.
I love the truth more than anything and if he IS a mason then I would be disgusted, if he isn’t, I would be disgusted with White for accusing him falsely. I am Irish, and I understand how Tsarion would be pissed off if he was a good guy being slandered, but his comments here a bit harsh, I wasn’t impressed either way.
SOME ONE SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE 1st BEFORE I BELIEVE IT.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Well.. Like it has been said before, we all are able to use our own minds. I enjoy the message MT brings, as well as Maxwell and others. Who for the most part they say use your brains… wake up you are being mislead. If they are included or not?? How should that stop me from using my brain to question things? To not always accept what I am being told?
As far as I am concerned, anyone can say every person on the planet has mason ties and so on. I will still seek truth and understanding. And know full well that my government is a joke, there are such things as conspiracies, and the masses inability to think for their selves is due to extraordinary forces to keep it that way. Done.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:27 am
Back again after listening to some of No where to run.. By Chris White.. All I can say is this… Any person who uses the bible as “factual evidence” should be questioned.. He seems like a bible thumper to where all of man’s questions are answered there. Saying a person had mistakes is not debunking. If things were taken out of context to his liking.. Any person who can read must be able to understand the bible is a matter of personal interpretation. The same thing he is accusing MT and others of.. He is doing.. Telling the audience what this means, what this doesn’t mean. There are no facts. Only opinions and assumptions. Furthermore, to take the Bible so seriously when it has been noted by many that the stories are borrowed from other cultures and so on should further show the nuttiness..
October 4th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Ever since Michael Tsarion brought up in one of his talks on Symbolism, called The Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism, that Torah came from the word Tarot some people are convinced that this is a lie or a trumped up idea so as to promote the Tarot itself and that it is only within the imagination of Tsarion that this is a “fact”. His words were basically “I dont have time to really get into it right now, but anyone who has done their homework knows that the Torah really comes from the Tarot.”
I read on a website called The Book of Thoth, http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1709.html , a post someone wrote called The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion. Noone is perfect, and people who “just plain dont like” Tsarion I believe will go through great lengths to discredit him by nit picking. Some of Tsarions research has misquotes which are in my opinion honest mistakes because of the vast amount of actual reference work having been done. His appendices for his books is over 2,000 pages long and it is online for people to check out. He didnt publish it WITH his books because it is simply too large. These “debunkers” will do any amont of sidestepping of all the very interesting and important information just to find that “juice” they so desperately want.
Back to the original thought of Torah comming from Tarot. That website with the post is, again, called The Book of Thoth. Crowley wrote a book with that exact title which is about the Tarot. You would think someone posting this attempt at debunking on that website would have at least read the book as it is one of the best books out there on Tarot. Here is the homework which Tsarion mentions anyone having truly studied the Tarot would have come across. From Crowley’s The Book of Thoth on only page 4 of the book we read:
“It will be proper, later in this essay, to describe the Holy Qabalah somewhat fully, and to discuss relevant details. The part of it which is here relevant is called Gematria, a science in which the numerical value of a Hebrew word, each letter being also a number, links that word with others of the same value, or a multiple therof. For example, AChD unity (1+8+4) =13; and AHBH love (1+5+2+5)= 13. This fact is held to indicate “The nature of Unity is Love”. Then IHVH Jehova (10+5+6+5) = 26=2×13. Therefore: “Jehova is Unity manifested in Duality.” And so forth. One important interpretation of Tarot is that it is a Notariqon of the Hebrw Torah, the Law; also of ThROA, the Gate. Now, by the Yetziratic attributions -see table at end- this word may be read The Universe - the new-born Sun- Zero. This is the true Magical Doctrine of Thelema: Zero equals Two. Also, by Gematria, the numerical value of ThROA is 671=61×11. Now 61 is AIN, Nothing or Zero; and 11 is the number of Magical Expansion; in this way also, therefore, ThROA announces that same dogma, the only satisfactory philosophical explaination of the Cosmos, its origin, mode, and object.”
From the title of the “debunking” post itself I am very pressed to say that it is none other than the work of Mr. Chris White aka whitehead aka puss head. Instead of already having a joy of studying the tarot he goes to a website of people who DO and posts garbage hoping to spread as much of his misplaced hatred and confusion as possible.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:03 am
People on Michael Tsarion’s forum have stated that sometimes sex between adults and children is OK. A huge number of his forum members left because of it. Michael said NOTHING but deleted anyone who questioned his lack of response to the pro-pedophile rhetoric.
October 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
word up. tsarion is from the streets. go back to the pond you f#ckin guppy. you know what, if i see you before tsarion does, i’ll give you his message. bam!
October 5th, 2008 at 11:43 am
That’s right, Michael is going to kick your ass Chris and Andre!!!! I know he is a good man and he just misunderstood my intentions. And just because he didn’t say anything about the pedophile rhetoric on his forum doesn’t mean he believes in such things!!!he is a hero and I will love him ALWAYS AND TO THE END…the very END!!! I will be on his forum and FIGHT for his work! Alot of people think I am crazy and so be it. Michael told me he wanted me once and it will cherish inside me. ALWAYS!
So hell for you QSC and Andre and Iceman. Micheael will get better than you in me!
October 18th, 2008 at 9:10 am
obviously tsarion breeds idiots en masse. just read through the replies and it will become clear as day.
good work Mtsar ! you rosicrucian fake motherfucker, new age BS teaching irish dumbshit.
October 25th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Go out in the world and find a young girlfriend with attractive body and firm breasts.
Enjoy those firm breasts and body while young.
does it really make any difference to your day what someone else thinks of your sayings ?
Why does this person want to punch someone for what he said ? not sure what that would do for them ? im sorry but the only good thing from america is the movies and some music is ok.
October 25th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
every persons in america with fans also have people who hate them and want to spread that hate ?
its like the saying not all muslim are terrorist but all terrorist are muslim ?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
I agree with” think for yourself” above. Astrology and tarot are valid tools. Just when you had me. you lost me in the same moment. And do not put david icke in the same catagory as jordan maxwell or michael tsarion. David icke is not new age. And is an honest guy. And for the record michael tsarion is not a spiritual guru. He teaches nothing about spirituality. He intelectualizes and speaks on some aspects of history and occult teachings. This is not helping your students reach enlightenment. A true master will teach you not to use mind to achieve awakening. as this is not possible. Go where there is no mind. then you touch the heart of truth and god. Using intellect is limited. as mind is limited to lower creation. Self questions self. endlessly!!! And leads in circles to neurosis. Fill your brain. if you will. thats great. but that is not where inner peace resides. In the end. who gives a fuck what any of these people think. Become the leader and example you so desparately yearn for. That inner light dwells within you. It is a covenent between you and creator only. how can you find freedom in someone else? All the answers are within you. Pray,fast good works,thoughts,deeds. Love everything and everyone. Love is the key. Love above will. Interested in someone who will not lie to you. Redelk.org This man teaches spirit. and knows more about these things than michael tsarion.david icke and jordan maxwell ever have. It is one thing to point to the way. It is another to walk it.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
as to the above statement of andrew Jackson hating the rothschilds. Why then. was this evil man responsible for the deaths of thousands of cherokee’s on the trail of tears? And numerous other atrocities. If your going to comment. Make it an informed one. There are some interesting people on this forum. And also some people. who give validity to the de-evolution theory. I don’t think as a whole. that we are going to make it as a species. Perhaps we should’nt.
November 18th, 2008 at 2:51 am
I think it is Tsarion’s right to teach whatever he wants to. It is anyones right to follow his teachings if they choose to. I cant help that think that adults who have no reason for bashing eachother and treating eachother with such utter disrespect could be so well known and respected by so many. I feel sad to see you men acting in such an in-mature manner for the whole world to see.
Let us believe what we want to, We’re going to anyways.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm
As an astrologer, Tsarion does not know that much about astrology. He seems to have taken bits and pieces from others like Jeff Green and molded it all into a package to sell at these times. When is Tsarion’s birthday, that I would like to know.
I get an off feeling about this guy and I am very accurate most of the time.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
True Rosicrucians do not dabble in and out of the things that Michael does. He is on the edges of his own becoming but is in the dark at what he may be truly inside or the true path he should lead. My heart and love goes out to him and in that he finds his true way and meaning.
Eden - Sun in Aries Moon in Taurus
November 25th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
The main article sounds like written by a “youtuber”
with all of it’s ignorance and lack of self steem.
I’m sorry. You are not qualified to write for an audience.
You have to take some things into consideration before opening your mouth.
Calling “Garbage” things you do not understand, only speaks of your
level.
November 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Good or bad Im just gonna sit here and wait till you all quit pointing fingers at each other.
But while im sitting I will be cleaning my guns, and hanging on to them.
smith & wesson will stop anyone who comes thru my door, and yes i have overlook all options.
almost like a chess game, and i really hate chess. a sign on my front yard reads “Fuck the dog beware of owner” screw the illuminati, freemasons, lawmakers, even pavarotti.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:08 am
I’m trying to kick start a cult following like Michael’s and while I may not be as severe and dramatic, I’m a lot funnier than he is.
So if you’re looking to practice a little “idle” worship, stop by http://www.robertphoenix.com I could use the devotional energy to kick start my holy empire.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
The only thing I have to say is as spiritual individuals we need to know how to take sense out of nonsense. Now think about it, many of the things Mr. Tsarion has talked about makes alot of sense, but it doesn’t mean you have to eat everything that is fed to you. We all have our own spiritual guides among us that will led us to the resources we seek. A few days ago my spirit lead me to Michael Tsarion webpage, and alot of the things he speaks about are answers to many of my spiritual questions. You know the Holy Spirit can make your worst enemy bring you an answer to a question you’ve been searching for.
I know as a spiritual seeker you will never find your answers in one resource, you must search around, and PICK SENSE OUT OF NON SENSE. Every man is on is own spiritual journey no two man will every walk the same journey.( Remember this)
December 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Christmas wish to all truth seekers: “May ye become truth-finders”
Yes, it was said by the visiting (and invisible but so clearly at present) Spirit of Truth: “Sit down on that chair and come to the Truth about Yourself and this Life”, literally (Arnhem - Holland) november 1967.
Of course I submitted to His request, toke a seat on that same chair in my room, and imagine what followed: He asked me: “Are you happy with this life?”; “No, honestly spoken it’s not, my Lord” I answered. At the end of the dialogue that started from then on between my lower- and higher Self it happened that I became aware that I was approaching so close to the Truth, this can’t stay without consequencies I thought, and at that moment the Light rose from below, and reaching my heart, the walls of my room disappeared and I experienced as going through the needle’s eye and came in connection with the Shining Being seated in my heart.
At that very moment my mouth had to stumble the same words like that of Saint Peter, namely: “Thou art The Christ.” Yet I wasn’t a clergyman nor a churchgoing person. I had doubted about being a Christian, and had ponderend: “What if I had been born in an Arabic country, instead of in Europe?” This was some years after I had wondered- looking at the brilliant starry heaven during a nightly guard-duty in military service- : What if God should not exist? I replied however that it shouldn’t hinder me to live with the words of Jesus the Christ. A year later. becoming aware of the inner side of people living around, I read a book on psychology, but decided it didn’t lead to real answers, they don’t even have a definition of the human psyche at all! So turned to Astrology and found more, but the mystery was not truly unravelled. At most one could better understand the being different one from another, and thus feeling less enmity and more friendship for them.
Yet there had to be a sudden and heavenly mighty falling in love, and some time later the abruptly taking it from me away, (and ‘of course’ the reappearance of It - you could guess - was no more accepted) with her, who finally should unknowingly become involved in the mystery of the Immaculate Conception. That was exactly nine month before the Birth of the Christ Child in my heart, as explained above.
I write this for you my friends who are all in for finding Truth. Yes we read in John 15.26 things like this, where the Spirit of Truth is called the Comforter, Whom is at the Christ’s request sent to You from The Father. We find mention of Truth, but not so cruelly nice, in Bhagavad Gita as The Supreme Personality of Godhead; in the Purananc literature as the Brahman- and Paramatma-realization, and in Vedanta literature more specific as Bhagavan-realization of God, Krishna is mentioned Who is also called the Absolute Truth in Person.
Now, what happens if I am visited in such a way, one might ask:
In that all brilliant shining state one hears the Absolute Words spoken:
1. “This Shining Being is eternal and indestructable, even if an atomic bomb should explode here and now.”
2. “In this Light you are connected with every living being, with all human beings, with every animal, with every plant, even with every b.o.g.”
One could call this “Direct Knowlegde”, and one will remember these Words literally, and life long.
After the Light draws back in the heart, one is of course for some time in a perplex state, and after the walls having reappeared one understands that the whole manifested world is just a frozen form of that one Light. Ok, modern physicists should call it an assembly of certain standing waves confined in the webby fabric of space.
What should I do with this knowlegde one could ask. Just wait, the time will learn you, is the answer.
Of course some things become clear during one’s life: “Who is Herod, the child-murderer?”
Answer: “He is the ‘for own power and profit thinker’ in our selves, he will constantly block the road to our vulnerable hearts, such that the there dorming Child in us will not been awakend.”
Some of you will perhaps reckonize that it as well has to do with Sankhya Philosophy were the 5 aggregational states, the 5 sense potentials, the 5 sense impressions and the 5 sense tools, are dominated by the 3 mental-spiritual elements: manas (thinking), ahankara (egoity), and buddhi (discrimination) that are constantly working in the neutral mulaprakriti (prima-materia; lower akasha; Maria; etc.).
Now for transcendental purposes:
Manas has not to be used for its mania of self-defense, so vulnerabilty is the better attitude.
Ahankara should not be used for self-glorification, so humbliness is the advisable attitude.
Buddhi should not be used for self-justification, so stay away from comdemnation of someone personally and do not exclude him from your company.
With these attitudes I suppose much nugatory quarelling could be prevented.
Thus far we spoke about personal matters, said: Come to the Truth about Yourself.
But it is said as well: Come to the Truth about this Life.
This life is everything that has to do with our relation to other people, animals, plants, yes even our beloved Earth.
Classes of people are simply there:
When people speak of a classless community I have my doubts:
Aren’t we all different by the things we naturally tend to? Some people think that gathering material things is the highest object of devotion, they are really not aware of something inside; others are more interested in running enterprises and mostly are a little aware of psychological things but not for the benefit of inner-development; still others are inclined to ‘better’ other people and want to serve the laws for the purpose of a well-ordered community. And we have people that want to know how things work: technological, medical, psychological, spiritual and even yogical (transcendental).
These last ones ought not have too much interest in too much propriaties, being a hindrance for making as much as possible spiritual progress for themselves and thus giving an example to the members of the other classes.
But what is very important is that there should be Institutions that are as a Father-Mother for the members of these classes, and that should painstakingly inspect on the separation of the mingling of interests. Caring Communities for the weakhearted, debilics, and also for evil-minded-criminal persons; Economic Guilds for taking care of craftmanship, giving moral laws for all who are involved in providance of material things, and matching job and worker; Governmental Services for those involved in maintaining the rules on the base of Laws that are given, and amended by the older seniores of Scientifical Societies, that are finally controlled by monk-like members who are devoted to real spiritual/transcendental Institutes named Temple Orders.
With this type of classification of the regions - countries - federations - continents, were people can live from at most 7 types of vision-of-live. Each of these should have their own specific lawgiving for their sub-community, and shall cooperatively work together wiht other ideological groups on a coordinate regional lawgiving …
Thence will the principles of Communism, Capitalism, Loyalism, Scientism, and Transcendentalism be harmoniously and reconciled.
We don’t need anonymus laws and lawmakers. In every region (say 700,000 inhabitants there are always the able persons that should be involved in lawmaking or - amendment. They will know that producing weapons (for killing or damaging people, animals, woods, or even this Earth, etc.) at behest of profitmaking is a crime. Science has to be divorced from Government. Science has to be published freely and becomes criminal if kept secret, that’s why we need Scientifical Societies. They will communicate openly all over the world. No secret theories, hidden from students such that the talented one’s are even unaware of things like the existance of scalar weapons, based on the full implication of quaternion based physics as Tom Bearden has shown us.
Ok, it can as well been shown that the classical Sankhya philosophy (even mentioned in Bhagavad-Gita) is true where it states that Ether (the vacuum filled with energetic particles-antiparticle pairs, and with mental waves as well, that waits for subtle causes to become manifested in positive time-space) is the highest of states of gross-matter, but is overlordable by the mental-spiritual processes of manas-egoity-buddhi. So lording these entities ourselves by means of a peacefull mind, everlasting study, yogical practise, lovefull devotion to the Truth, we can be sure that the evil-minded powers will be elimiminated for ourselves.
It could however be doubted that the raw and brute powers of machines which the evil-minded should use against humanity can be countacted, otherwise than by God Himself or His speciliazed Avatara. The only thing we should know is, that it cannot destruct Ourselves. We should in such an emergency certainly call Him by His Name as It is most dear to each of us, please listen to the next story:
The departure of out beloved cat:
For this I can witness that at sep 11 2002, (yes 1 year later) at 01.57 o’ clock our beloved and wise cat named Saartje, after two weeks of intens communication with me, prepared herself for leaving her body and miraculously departed. She left the bed on which she was laid down by me. After some time I had to left the bed due to the pain her breathing gave to my lungs. So I had gone downstairs for some time. At hearing some strange sounds on the stairs I ran to there and saw her helplessly lay in the stairs corner and at that moment she set in an awful dead screem. Taking her up and laying her down on the soft carpet I chanted intensely the Holy Names as I had learned from the Krishna movement: you certainly know it: Hare Krishna / Hare Krishna / Krishna Krishna / Hare Hare
Hare Rama / Hare Rama / Rama Rama / Hare Hare.
At that very moment she lifted her little head and meaked twicely so nice, even with some intonation as saying: “It is good now, I am saved.” Then she laid down her tender head and I felt her last breathing from her belly, her breast, and then out of her head. She was gone.
Really at the moment of death one’s psyche and spirit that envelope the Self are welcomed by frightening helpers of the Lord of Death (Lord Yama), who form the common Welcoming Committee for animals and humans that didn’t even try to elevate themself to their True Self. In the case of our cat-incarnated Saartje the evil helpers of Yama were interrupted and sent home to their Lord by the appearance of the good helpers of the Lord of Life (Lord Vishnu) .. believe me,or believe me, or believe me, the Name of your Lord is as powerful as Himself.
Please warn everybody except the triflers.
Indeed, we should do our utmost best to help as much as possible other individuals to turn away from blunt materialism, narrow-mindedness, egocentrism, and tell them to take responsibility for the younger ones, in stead of misleading them and becoming their source of evilness and second death.
What is my personal sorrow:
Where is the Liga of Truth under whose worldwide wings all the honourable and nice seekers for truth will take refuge? Indeed we should be aware of idolization, by which it becomes forbidden to counterspeech the idol at some point of view. Nevertheless, the verbal combattants should publicly settle the point of difference, what is difficult without such an Institute. It might indeed lead to an unwanted weakening of the allience of fighters for truth. And he who is unwilling of pacification on arguments could finally been suspected of having become a misinformant. Further: reading and hearing so much is not always a garantee of finding Truth ultimately. For Truth has to be realized, and this is not the same as concocting a complex web of nicely fitting ideas, however elegant and pleasant to hear they might seem. All ideas should been subjected to critical remarks from time to time, and even rejected when bearing contradictories, or having no evidence in respectable scriptures, without consideration of the person behind the ideas.
So, have a peaceful and intimate Christmas amongst each other my friends, and may the Child be born in the Hearts of all the good-willing persons, especially the Herdsman of our suffering Humanity and mother Earth.
December 26th, 2008 at 2:02 am
The best I can make of it, it’s like a good magik vs bad or black magik. In other words, don’t be afraid of the occult (or Satan) if you are on the right side of him. Ah, I don’t think that’s going to work. I believe there is a God that is of good and I believe there are forces of evil (Satan). I believe some of the info to be correct as to throw you a bone, something to arouse your curiousity (you know what happened to the cat!), to get you to look into this. Next thing you know, you’re into the occult. I believe it is either a move to do just that and then you’re no better than the people at the top that are also following the occult or some of these people are angry that they arent a part of the plan and aren’t in the plot. It may very well be a back door strategy.
December 28th, 2008 at 8:05 am
I find Michaels information and some theroy interesting, but he also contradicts himself at times. In one video he says no one can go past our moon. He says you can go to the moon, but not past it. In another video, he says (and I do agree with this), that because of the radiation in the Van Allen belts, you couldn’t pass through it. Well if you can’t pass the belts, you couldn’t go to the moon. Some estimate that the lead for protection would have to be so thick, you could never launch such a vehicle in the first place. Only today, do they possibly have a poly material, very light in weight, that they say could provide protection for a trip to Mars. Van Allen, when asked several years before he died about this fact, said it was hogwash and that we would have no problem going through the belts on the Apollo missions. Van Allen was also paid by our government for reserach projects, so draw your own conclusions on that one.
Alan Bean, an astronaut, when first asked in an interview, said he didn’t think they ever went through the belts! Huh? Then when he was told by the interviewer where they were, he said we then we must have. How could you be an Apollo 12 astronaut and not know the location of the Van Allen Belts? It’s impossible. Why are there no stars in any moon photos?
The Hadron collider that has recently been completed is the stargate device. They believe that this will give them a hole through the Van Allen belts. Now think about this for a second, what if there is nothing at all to 2012, yet these idoits that control us want a way off this planet. They may open a pandoras box that could bring about the extinction of mankind…needlessly. How brilliant! I do believe these are fallen angels, chased through the universe and ended up here. These are devils of Satan. I also believe that our planet is populated by human type creatures from many other planets in our galaxy or universe which explains the different races and languages we have today. It makes the most sense. We all may or may not be from the same “God”, hence the differences in religions. It is just everyones bad luck that we ended up with these devils that found our planet and are stuck here. Of whatever religion you may be, don’t be misled, as I believe it was these “devils” that brought astrology and the occult into being on this planet in the first place.
We probably have more to fear from the hardon collider before the date of 12/21/1012. The Bible says no man shall know the date or the time and how true that may be when these idoits turn this thing on at times when they do not know what they are doing. It could happen anytime. They may not care if they take themselves out with it. Remember the masonic thinking that “the end justifies the means”. It may also go along with the idea of a huge human sacrifice that they want.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:20 am
fuck tsarion, icke, jones etc. they tell you some of the truth, but they keep more important shit behind, insted of telling it all they seduce you with a little bit and deceive you with astrology, ufo bullshit, they won’t tell u the giant role jewish ideology plays in the NWO, it’s the Jews it has always been the Jews, whether they were born kabbalists or converted, the Hebrayan Brotherhood has always been controlling the pyramide at the top, they are the all-seeying-eye, once they destroyed their main competition in the form of the Aryan Brotherhood during WW II they took over full control. This didnt start with Adam Weishaupt, or Nathan Rothschild or Allister Crowley and so on, it all began from the moment the Jews decided to falsify the Devine Books and mix it up with myths and lies they copied from the ancient Egyptians, they were the ones who created the first banks and interest, they were the ones who possesed the keys of literature, they financed middle age kings, they were the ones who took over the Central Banks through fake revolutions, they are the ones who financed both sides of every major war wich they started in the first place, I can go on and on and on, but you have to see it for yourself, if you type ” legend of Atlantis'’ in google video, you’ll find an incredible serie about the true masonic story, the only thing is: alot of the truth is mixed up with UFO and astrology bullshit, this is because it’s a documentary made from within the system, from within the illuminati organisation and they really believe in that crap they take it very serious, but if you re mentally strong enough, if you posses the capacity to seperate truth from fiction then this is the ideal oppurtunity to find out about the true history.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:36 am
You must realise how serious they take their ‘’religion'’ (pure satanism), you must know how important the role of Atlantis is in their way of thinking, they think in dimensions, they believe the masses (Choyom,Sheeple) live in the 3rd dimension, they believe the illumni live in the 4rth dimension wich basicly means they posess more knowledge then the low life masses and they really think they will be upgraded to the 5 th dimension after 2012 (age of the fish) they call this the transformation into the superhuman, wich gives them a 3rd eye and wich makes them supernatural in especially the spiritual aspect of life. Of course this is complete bullshit, they made it up and then decided to take it serious, they really care about this sick religion, but insted of becoming superhumans, they will burn in eternal fire together with that Satan they worship, because all creations will find their way back to their Creator once this Test has ended, then they will see and feel the consequences of their sick and repulsive deeds.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:49 am
there are many versions mostly falsified religion in this world, this is because the humanbeing couldnt take the truth as it was in the first place, so many religions, this makes alot of anti-illuminati think that all interpretations and versions are lies, of course religion in general is being used to keep the masses dumb and down or to start wars based on nationality and traditions and cultures, but you have to know that all these fake versions derive from 1 correct version of the truth, after all there is only 1 version of the truth because there s only 1 truth, eitherway, I can assure you that there is a Creator of all that lives, that there is life after death and the Correct version of the Truth is still out there, you just need to have the will to know the truth the will to find it out, to search for it.
naruQ ni seil hturt ehT.
January 2nd, 2009 at 6:11 am
I watched about a two hour documentry on how a small circle of elder Jews follow today the same as their forefathers from the acient days of Babylon, ancient Satanic teaching. This small circle are the ones in control today of Israel and always have been, unbenounced to the mass of Jews. Madonna is the new spokesperson for the Kabbalah. See the Youtube video “Madonna and Britney Spears Kabbalah’s Harlots!!!”
Same can be said with the Catholic church, their black masses and the Knights of Templar, the ancient books the Vatican keeps under lock and key and the huge money machine the Catholic church is. Similar to Masons. The lower degrees don’t know or see the problems with freemasonary, only at the top do they learn they are following Lucifer. If you listen closely to Jordan Maxwell or Michael Tsarion, they don’t see the original Freemasonary or Masonic teachings (and the following of Lucifer) as anything wrong and they have said this. They say a group of few have corrupted it. Huh? It was corrupt and deceitfull to begin with. So yes, it is a conspiracy within a conspiracy. These people are clever and calculating. It’s like funding both sides in a war. They want to see how many people will follow a new conspiracy theroy and by the number of people who do tells them if the old bigger lie is still working or not. Once it no longer does, then they have to expose it, do away with it and start anew. In this 2012 bullshit, they say the “masks will come down” and these people will be exposed. It is they themselves bringing the masks down because it looks like this scenerio has about run it’s course. They have us in an almost worldwide financial depression. It’s time for a new game plan. And I’m sure they have a plan A, B,C and on. We get to be the test subjects.
January 2nd, 2009 at 9:50 am
exactly, they ve created an entire ‘’religion'’ out of nothing and start taking it serious, they know it’s fake, but to make sure the prophecies they made centuries ago will actually prevail they create the happenings themselfs, if they believe that something big is going to happen in 2012 it means that they re going to make sure something big is going to happen in 2012, whether it is by creating another world war or by another stock crash doesnt matter they write their own history.
Hey Barney, could you give me the link of that documentary about the small circle of elder Jews, I have seen loads of docus, but I cant remember seeing that one, i would very much appreciate it
January 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Hey Karimo, I’ve searched and search google and youtube and I can’t find it. It was over two hours long. I think it was from a video a few years old, but they dug into the text of books that are openly available today and showed the satanic works that these elder jews of Babylon followed. I watched it several months ago. It may have been taken down. Texe Marrs has done a fair amount on this subject (with videos) from a Christian point of view, but he knows what these elder jews follow…the occult, satanism from the days of Babylon.
I found about a 45 min History channel on this subject, but they try to put a “spin” on it saying this was just some mystic way the elder jews found through the Kabbala to try to connect with “God”. There are a number of different people out there that will refer to their God as Satan himself. Somewhat interesting video, but they didn’t go far enough into the teachings and text as to what it really followed.
January 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Of course when it comes to mainstream media what else could we expect from the control of the Bilderbergs, CFR and NWO. They don’t like this stuff being made public.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Having only recently come across M Tsarion, I want to say that, his information checks out. In my intuitive sense,-and the information I have come across in the last 10 years, from various sources including Gardner, Icke, A.Jones,plus others too many to list. AND voyagers into the divine reality which is always already the case.-and Tsarion quite clearly points to this and the tools he is highlighting. It is up to you to use these tools and information to disseminate and divine the answers true to you in your journey of self revelation.
Words will not suffice ultimately, or symbols, or any mis-identified relationship with me or mine.
Its the ultimate cosmic joke.
Astrology, and the tarot I have worked with closely as tools to shine light on the mortal condition. This allows one to become accustomed to the souls voice, rather than the incessant babble of manas-mind chatter
Thank you Michael,
Any slander of your work from others, says a lot more about them than you.
Any one following the bible myth needs to take an alkaloid of some kind, it helps peel away a few veils……
January 6th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Well lets see ,
Michael will be on http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/listen_live.php with josh reeves this wednesday 7th jan at 5pm gmt for 2-3 hours ….. judge for yourselves if he is a mason or any other ridiculous charge .
By the way screw you chris white !
January 8th, 2009 at 3:29 am
1. Do not preach your beliefs. If they are sincere they will be clear enough in your
actions.
2.Enlightenment only comes through the realization of the greater truths.
3.Seek to know the truth but above all love truth.
4.Life involves passions, faiths, doubts, and courage.
5.Freedom is a fine word when rightly understood.
6.Peace can only come as a natural consequence of planetary oneness and harmony.
7.Salvation is a process that begins on earth and ends in eternity.
8.(I find this one humorous LOL). You can’t propel yourself forward by patting yourself
on the back.
Only kind reminders too us all in our search for peace and stability and truth.
we’re all in this together. The beginning of change in the world must start with yourself
and not the other way around. Instead of quarreling with each other over one man, why
not combine the free thinking intelligent minds that you have and come up with suitable solutions as to how we can live with each other in TRUE peace. And not hurt and kill each other as we’ve done through out our entire history. If we could just pull that off we will have
accomplished something truly great my friends.
To Chris White his and friends.
Maybe this story will strengthen your weakened understanding.
THE COUNCIL OF THE SEVEN SAGES of the WORLD.
The seven sages of the world meet in Alexandria. The purposes of the meeting. The opening address.
In every age since time began have
seven sages lived.
At first of every age these
sages meet to note the course of
nations. peoples, tribes, and tongues;
To note how far toward justice,
love and righteousness the race has
gone;
To formulate the code of laws,
religious postulates and plans of
rule best suited to the coming age.
An age had passed, and, lo,
another age had come; the sages must
convene.
Now, Alexandria was the centre
of the world’s best thought, and
and here in Philo’s home the sages met.
From China came Meng-ste;
from India Vidyapati came; from
Persia Kasper came; and from
Assyria Ashbina came; from Greece
Apollo came; Matheno was the
Egyptian sage, and Philo was the
chief of Hebrew thought.
The time was due; the council
met and sat in silence for seven days.
And then Meng-ste arose and
said, The wheel of time has turned
once more; the race is on a higher
plane of thought.
The garments that our fathers
wove have given out; the cherubim
have woven a celestial cloth; have
placed it in our hands and we must
make for men new garbs.
The sons of men are looking
up for greater light. No longer do
they care for gods hewn out of
wood, or made of clay. They seek
a god not made of hands.
They see the beams of com-
ing day, and yet they comprehend
them not.
The time is ripe, and we must
fashion well these garments for the
race.
And let us make for men new
garbs of justice, mercy, righteousness
and love, that they may hide thier
nakedness when shines the of
coming day.
And Vidyapati said, Our
priest have all gone mad; they saw
a demon in the wilds and at him
cast their lamps and they are broken
up, and not a gleam of light has any
priest for men.
The night is dark; the heart
of India calls for light
the priesthood cannot be
reformed; it is already dead; its
greatest needs are graves and funeral
chants.
The new age calls for liberty;
the kind that makes each man a
priest, enables him to go alone, and
lay his offerings on the shrine of God.
And Kasper said, In Persia
people walk in fear; they do the
good for fear to do the wrong.
The devil is the greatest
power in our land, and though a
myth, he dandles on his knee both
youth and age.
Our land is dark, and evil
prospers in the dark.
Fear rides on every passing
breeze, and lurks in every form of
life.
The fear of evil is a myth, is an
illusion and a snare; but it will
live until some mighty power shall
come to raise the ethers to the plain
of light.
When this shall come to pass
the magian land will glory in the
light. The soul of Persia calls for light.
Meeting of the sages, continue. Opening addresses. Jesus with the sages. Seven days’ silence.
Ashbina said, Assyria is the
land of doubt; the chariot of
my people, that in which they
mostly ride, is labelled doubt.
Once faith walked forth in
Babylon; and she was bright and
fair; but she was clothed in such
white robes that men became afraid
of her.
And every wheel began to turn,
and Doubt made war on her, and
drove her from the land; and she
came back no more.
In form men worship God,
the One; in heart they are not sure
that God exists.
Faith worships at the shrine of
one not seen; but Doubt must see her
God.
The greatest need for all Assyria
is faith-a faith that seasons every
thing that is, with certainty.
And then Apollo said, The
greatest needs of Greece are true
concepts of God.
Theogony in Greece are rutter-
less, for every thought maybe a god.
The plain of thought is broad,
and full of sharp antagonists; and
and so the circle of the gods is filled with
enmity, with wars and base intrigues.
Greece needs a master mind
to stand above the gods; to raise
the thoughts of men away from
many gods to God the One.
We know that light is coming
o’er the hills. God speed the light.
Matheno said, Behold this
land of mystery! this Egypt of the
dead!
Our temples long have been
the tombs of all the hidden things
of time; our temples, crypts and
caves are dark.
In light there are no secret
things. The sun reveals all hidden
truth. There are no mysteries in God.
Behold the rising sun! His
beams are entering every door; yea,
every crevice of the mystic crypts of
Mizriam.
We hail the light! All Egypt
craves the light.
And Philo said, The need of
Hebrew thought and life is liberty.
The Hebrew prophets, seers
and givers of the law, were men of
power, men of holy thought, and
they bequeathed to us a system of
philosophy that was ideal; one
strong enough and good enough to
lead our people to the goal of
perfectness.
But carnal minds repudiated
holiness; a priesthood filled with
selfishness arose, and purity in
heart became a myth; the people
were enslaved.
The priesthood is the curse of
Israel; but when he comes, who is
to come, he will claim emancipa-
tion for the slaves; my people will be
free.
Behold, for God has made
incarnate wisdom, love and light,
which he has called Immanuel.
To him is given the keys to
open up the dawn; and here, as
man, he walks with us.
And then the council chamber
door was opened and the Logos
stood among the sages of the world.
Again the sages sat in silence
seven days.
Meeting of the sages, continued.
Presentation of the seven universal
postulates.
Now, when the sages were re-
freshed they opened up the
Book of Life and read.
They read the story of the life
of man; of all his struggles, losses,
gains; and in the light of past
events and needs, they saw what
would be best for him in coming
years.
They knew the kind of laws and
precepts suited best to his estate;
they saw the highest God-ideal that
the race could comprehend.
Upon the seven postulates
these sages were to formulate, the
great philosophy of life and worship
of the coming age must rest.
Now Meng-ste was the oldest
sage; he took the chair of chief, and
said,
Man is not far enough ad-
vanced to live buy faith; he cannot
comprehend the things his eyes see
not.
He yet is child, and during all
the coming age he must be taught by
pictures, symbols, rites, and forms.
His God must be a human
God; he cannot see a God by faith.
And then he cannot rule him-
self; the king must rule; the man
must serve.
The age that follows this will
be the age of man, the of faith.
In that blest age the human
race will see without the aid of
carnal eyes; will here the soundless
sound ; will know the spirit-God.
The age we enter is the
Preparation age, and all the schools
and governments and worship rites
must be designed in simple way that
men may comprehend.
And man cannot originate;
he builds buy patterns that he sees;
so in this council we must carve out
pattern for the coming age.
And we must formulate the
gnosis of the Empire of the soul,
which rests on seven postulates.
Each sage in turn shall form
a postulate; and these shall be the
basis of the creeds of man until the
perfect age shall come.
Then Meng-ste wrote the first:
All things are thought; all
life is thought activity. The multitude
of beings are but phases of the one
great thought made manifest. Lo,
God is Thought, and Thought is
God.
Then Vidyapati wrote the
secound postulate:
Eternal thought is one; in
essence it is two-Intelligence and
Force; and when they breathe a
child is born; this child is Love.
And thus the Triune God
stands forth, whom men call father-
Mother-child.
this Triune God is one; but
like the one of light, in essence he is
seven.
And when the Triune God
breaths forth, lo, seven Spirits
stand before his face; these are
creative attributes.
Men call them lesser gods
and in their image made man.
And Kasper wrote the third:
Man was a thought of God,
formed in the image of the Siptonate,
clothed in the substances of soul.
And his desires were strong;
he sought to manifest on every plain
of life, and for himself he made a
body of the ethers of the earthly
forms, and so descended to the plane
of earth.
In this descent he lost his
birthright; lost his harmony with
God, and made discordant all the
notes of life.
Inharmony and evil are the
same; so evil is the handiwork of man.
Ashbina wrote the fourth:
Seeds do not germinate in
light; they do not grow until they
find the soil, and hide themselves
away from light.
Man was evolved a seed of
everlasting life; but in the ethers of
the Triune God the light was far to
great for seeds to grow.
And so man sought the soil
of carnal life, and in the darksome
ness of earth he found a place where
he could germinate and grow.
The seed has taken root and
grown full well.
The tree of human life is
rising from the soil of earthly things
and, under natural law, is reaching
up to perfect form.
There are no supernatural
acts of God to lift to a man from carnal
life to spirit blessedness; he grows as
grows the plant, and in due time is
perfected.
The quality of soul that makes
it possible for man to rise to spirit
life is purity.
Meeting of the sages, continued. The remaining postulates. The sages bless Jesus. Seven days’ silence.
Apollo wrote the fifth:
The soul is drawn to perfect
light by four white steeds, and these
are Will, and Faith, and Helpfulness
and Love.
That which one wills to do, he
has the power to do.
A knowledge of that power is
faith; and when faith moves, the
soul begins its flight.
A selfish faith leads not to
light. There is no lonely pilgrim
on the way to light. Men only gain
the heights by helping others gain
the heights.
The steed that leads the way
to spirit life is Love; is pure unselfish
Love.
Matheno wrote the sixth:
The universal love of which
Apollo speaks is child of Wisdom
and of Will divine, and God has sent
it forth to earth in flesh that man may
know
The universal Love of which
the sages speak, is Christ.
The greatest mystery of all
times lies in the way that Christ
lives in the heart.
Christ cannot live in clammy
dens of carnal things. The seven
battles must be fought, the seven
victories won before the carnal
things, like fear, and self, emotions
and desire, are put away.
When this is done, the Christ
will take possession of the soul; the
the work is done, and man and God
are one.
And philo wrote the seventh:
A perfect man! To bring
before the Triune God a being such
as this was nature made.
This consummation is the
is the highest revelation of the mystery of
life.
When all the essences of
carnal things have been transmuted
into soul, and all the essences of soul
have been returned to Holy Breath
and man is made a perfect God, the
drama of Creation will conclude.
And this is all.
And all the sages said, Amen.
Then Meng-ste said, The
Holy One has sent to us a man illumi
ned by the efforts of unnumbered
years, to lead the thoughts of men.
This man, approved by all
the masters minds of heaven and
earth, this man from Galille, this
Jesus, chief of all the sages of the
world, we gladly recognise.
In recognition of this wisdom
that he brings to men, we crown him
with the lotus wreath.
We send him forth with all
the blessings of the seven sages of the
world.
Then all the sages laid their
hands on Jesus’ head, and said with
one accord, Praise God!
For, Wisdom, Honour, glory,
power, riches, blessing, strength, are
yours, O Christ , for evermore.
And every living creature
said, Amen.
And then sages sat in
silence seven days.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
please stop quoting bible, it is well known that the bible has been ONE BIG playground for the ancient illumni (jewish priesthood/vatican). it is probably the best example of falsification throughout history. You possibly can’t be a christian aswell as an anti-illuminati, every enlightened person knows how fucked up and abused the bible has been, it was a source of truth when it first came out, but ofcourse it didnt take that long before it had been mixed up with myths, astrology, lies, fairytales, more lies etc.. after the falsification that what once used to be the Devine Truth was ready to be sold to the ignorant masses to misleed them from the Truth and to leed them into Hell, only they who falsified it possessed the actual containings of the bible, they ve passed it through in pure secracy. it is one of the components of the ark of the covenant, the treassure isn’t a pot of gold it’s worth much more, it’s all the knowledge wich has been kept away from the masses during the past ages, only the top elite of the secret societies knows every little detail about who and what, stinking hebrayan rats, schmug, ghoyom absolutely disgusting.. so please stop refering to the bible you re just making a bigger fool out of yourself.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
If Michael Tsarion was really an agent sent out to spread disinformation, don’t you think he’d be doing it on a much larger scale? Wouldn’t more people know about him? How come so many people who do similar work to him get censored and silenced? Think about things before you go posting ridiculous blogs, you twat.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I really dont get what the original poster (and many others here for that matter) are so riled up about..
We as humans each have our own minds, our own hearts and our own paths.. We will see, hear, smell, touch and taste many things along the way that we will appreciate-but we also will experience just as much that does not sit well with us. This is called balance-ever heard of it?
Who cares if hes right, wrong, or just plain crazy? He said it, so what.. Does it really matter? After all the only one who can bring you to enlightenment is yourself.. Tools are just that-tools, information is a tool, not a defining part of us-merely something that we choose to take on board or reject.
If the man said something you dont agree with-that is his right. Ive heard some of his stuff, its an interesting theory-but who am I to decide what is the all encompassing truth? For it is far larger than just me. I listened, I took from it what I found interesting, the stuff I felt was a bit out there-I left, “out there”..
In comparison to all these texts that have been quoted thus far,the following shall feel so juvenile-but its something that rang a bell of truth in my soul when I heard it..
In the film Dogma, by Kevin Smith, Chris Rocks character makes a point about the dangers of beliefs.. To paraphrase him-people have killed, murdered and gone to war for their beliefs, they have died for them, all because these beliefs were so rigid and unshaking that there was no room for amendments..
Its better to have a good idea-theres room for improvement with an idea.. You can accumulate new information and incorporate it into your own vision. Which at its very root-should really be all that matters to you.
(To quote Salma Hayeks character “Its not about what you believe-just that you HAVE faith”)
A closed mind is one that cannot learn, and what does not bend breaks.
Maybe Jesus did exist, perhaps he had the healing ability that many others have today, but as with many things-it got exaggerated.. Like the fish that was caught at 5 inches and told as 5 foot.. Or perhaps he was like the story put forth in the film “The Man from Earth” trying to spread a good message from another place in a style more palatable to his audience.
The point is we cannot really prove or disprove any of it, that was then and all that matters is the here and now, you have no control over the past, nor the future.. We are in the present-as is our physical bodies constraint, only our life force permeates this barrier. What we do today may influence tomorrow-but we still hold no control over it. And to spend all of our time looking back prevents us from our true path-forward.
Some here choose to spend their present pouring out negative, and (if no proof exists) slanderous statements. If this is how you spend your present, I can imagine your path shall lead into more negativity.. I hope that this is not the case. I hasten to add, I am also a tad disappointed in Tsarions’ reaction.. Surely he should be able to see that this is not the best way forward? I would have thought so based on what I have heard so far. (Unless it is misquoted?)
I am not sure how I stand on the idea that I was a genetic experiment, but I do remember a friends first comment to me, that my soul was not from here. It is possible that we may have been changed by an outside influence. To imagine that we are alone in the vastness of this Universe would be to live in Denial.. And there are too many things that just dont seem to make sense about what we have been told about our origins, selves and the world.
It is also quite apparent that we are lied to daily. Nothing escapes from this bending and blatant rewriting of the truth. From things as important as the brutal slaying of many through weapons, drugs and lies, to the blatant misinformation about what we are told is there for our protection-such as government, law and medicine.
I guess my point is, why get so upset about the conclusions this man has drawn? So you dont agree with him, oh well.. Its hardly going to destroy your life now is it? If people wish to follow others blindly-then that is their choice, anyone with half a brain will only follow their one true guide. Their Higher Self.
Hon Sha Ze Sho Nen..
January 20th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Great article… This man is an absolute fraud that thinks if he speaks like he knows what he is talking about then everybody will just believe kinda like Jordan Maxwell or Jordanus Maximus lol. Total Frauds
January 28th, 2009 at 3:31 am
I agree with Precarious333.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
John: I take it you are a christian? When ever someone says christianity is a load of old crap (substitute christianity for any other religion you may follow, if needed), people take great offense. Why call Tsarion a fraud? Are you afraid to open your mind to a fresh way of thinking? Have you actually listened to what he is saying? A lot of it makes sense and is pretty much undeniable. Lets say if even only 25% of what he says could be backed up with evidence, that’s still a lot of useful knowlege. Far more useful than any of the brainwashing bullshit that religion force-feeds the idiotic fools that make up the masses.
Can’t you see how we are all being manipulated by the unseen powers into living, thinking and fearing how and what they want us to? Look at the world. It is not what we think it is. Open your eyes and your mind; think for yourself. If you want to post saying Tsarion is a fraud then maybe you should explain your reasons instead of flaming and making yourself look like an ignorant, utter twonk.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Above comment was by me, forgot to add my name…
January 31st, 2009 at 11:28 pm
what freakO said,
gush…………………..
i wont use these words its too low too vile.
apparently some people still have as real problem at communicating with out using bad language..
too bad.
and by the way nationalities used as a concept is so low thinking go back to your cattles, but they may have more though than you can chew..
February 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
*To the second comment left, written by “thinkforyrself”. Not directly but picking up on an argument…
To say something can not be argued, or called garbage (which i don’t think is a bad adnoun, i’d also call it “crap” or “bull…” but that’s besides the point) based on the fact that the idea has been around for quite sometime is absolutely ignorant of yourself and denying rational thinking in light of modern thought and discoveries.
Does evolution not prove against creationalism? And maybe allow for the lamen term of “garbage” to be used to describe it in summery? “Garbage” merely substituting “irrelevant in modern society and easily disproved scientifically, moreover by default as it cannot BE proved”
Does the scientific understaning of the universe and maybe even evolution again counteract beliefs in these occult symbols and rituals?
Maybe your real complaint was resorting to a crude word to describe these beliefs rather than dismissing it in a more constructive manner.
Age does not grant immunity. This is my point.
PS. I have not read the huge host of other comments on here so i apologise if i am reviving an old argument or repeating anyone else’s points.
February 8th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Hey, eTrik, for god’s sake, it is SITCHIN, not stitchen, or stichin, or whatever, can you provide proof of sitchin-rockefeller link?
February 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Alan Watt is a shill as well, so is all this back biting amongst new age/shill propagandists, it’sall being executed by the CIA/NSA. RENSE is CIA as well. So is Stewart Swerdlow, he is just plain to creepy to be legit. I like Alex Jones, but he is a tool as well.
Alan Watt u suck for selling out.
February 12th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
self-complacency? Does that ring a bell to anyone here? Everyone has his/her own truth, and none are wrong or right as everyone perceives a slightly different world. Lessons from each others worlds can be taught, but why should I react to the fact that the roses that my neighbour sees are red when I see them blue? Do you get angry with your dog because it can perceive ultra sounds and you can’t? Would you blame a colour blind person for not being able to distinguish red from green?
Also, Tsarion, Icke and company have all very interesting things to say about the nature of reality and our present cosmology, but as they all say, we are here to make our own judgement about it and to try to free our mind. We should not lose our minds arguing about who/what is right and who/what is wrong. Life is very very short and full of distractions.
February 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Wow.
He is CIA, She is NSA, He is a freemason, BLAH BLAH BLAH
This whole blog is just muck in the drain.
FOCUS ON THE DOCUMENTS PEOPLE…..
THE FEMA CAMPS ARE COMIN’
infowars.com
February 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Well the whole thing with Tsarion and the others preaching alternative truths about how world is ran and people who go with the “old” teachings is raising so much controvercy.. The thing is that all religions and other teachings are the cult.. or the occult if you prefer.. everything that involes anykind of warship would be the cult.. so the difference is that may be christian dogma “made it” better into the world.. and we all know how it made it and through how much blood.. the same goes to Islam.. Hibrews.. Hindus.. Budhism(well you might think that this one is peaceful.. its just the same as the rest) and so on and so on.. So really whatever preaching is intended.. and if you want the whole world to believe you.. you really need somekind of miracle for that.. or just start chopping head off.. and in a hundred-two hunred years or so you will see that people start to dig your dogma.. with the right kind of propaganda it will laso sound just great.. So if you in a need to believe somebody or something its your choice..
My choice is not to believe anybody.. and made deceisions for myself.. What I mean I would listen to anything.. just to see where its going.. YOU KNOW WHAT I FIGURED IN THIS LIFE..
I read The Bible Most of Qaran.. whole bunch of litt on Buddism etc etc.. now I’m looking into Tsarion Freeman etc etc… well all of the above have some good ideas… very interesting.. just the fact that its rasing so much controvercy is fascinating.
BUT ALSO YOU HAVE TO ADMITT THAT THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY WRONG WITH THIS WORLD…
IF YOU LOOK BACK AT HOW CHRISTIANS PREACHING PEACE AND COMPASSION WITH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DIEING IN THE BACKGROUND… HOW ALL THE GROUPS OF POWER ARE FIGHTING FOR A PIECE OF INFLUENCE… JUST LOOK BACK AT THAT.. WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT ALIENS..
Even if aliens exist.. and rule this world.. it really doesn’t matter if you prove that they do.. it doesn’t matter if some reptilian president or a queen are in on it too… whoever the fuck rules this fucking planet they fucking doing it in a most evil manner.. so what we really gotta do is stop listening to all those preachers and start thinking what are we gonna do about all this shit.. are we gonna wait when they are gonna come to our home and take our children to fight for some bullshit cause.. or may be make our daughter into breading factories for some crazy purification idea???
Think about this…
“I dongivafuck ’bout any dogma.. Letme have some space on this planet and leave me the fuck alone to my problems” - nuf said!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Has anyone read the Rosicrucian creed? I’m glad he is one! Manly P Hall was a Freemason. In his writings he made it very clear that there are people practicing their creeds and villains hiding behind them. Michael is most certainly not a villain
March 7th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Michael has free will to come onto this site and speak for himself and respond to the information originally posted that started this thread. If he thinks he doesn’t need to do that then this would be his choice, and I’d challenge this for the benefit of the cause as it works against what he is representing (if he is sincere and legit).
Note ‘the cause’ if that is what you want to call your quest to clarify and assist needs no explanation to anyone sincerely contributing to ‘the cause’, as for anyone that is driven by your own ego and are indirectly working against ‘the cause’ you should ask yourself if your responses are working towards ‘the cause’ and question your intention for your own clarification.
If your sincere then the last thing you would want is to get 5 minute satisfaction because you personally attacked someone in a response. With a simple method we can easily weed out people intentionally working against ‘the cause’ - and if your lacking sufficient intellegence to help the cause then you should work harder to help the causes and resist in shooting a response without questioning the helpfullness of your response.
If its only adding to confusion, or at the very least adding more information for other people to read without really contributing to ‘the cause’ then you might want to think about responding in the way you are to ascetain if your actually helping ‘the cause’.
If you are responding like this on purpose then you expose yourself as working against ‘the cause’ and any intellegent human being should just ignore your post as it discredits your representation.
I’m a free thinker with a mild interest in this stuff, I found some of the responses above a total waste of my time and if some of your points were genuine I think there is better ways to make it. Has anyone independantly tried to ask the question on the Tsar forum and if you have can you please post the link so we can see this on the tsar forum.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Tsarion is absolutely, beyond any shadow of doubt, a fucking imbecile and apparently a pathalogical liar. The man cannot even construct a coherent sentence for fucks sake… the same can be said for most of his more vehement supporters. Strange how there appears to be such correlation between illiteracy and believing in people such as Tsarion. Surely a complete coincidence.
I almost fell for a lot of this shit, but that’s exactly what it is - shit, and scumbags like Tsarion profit enormously from the fools who latch onto them. Best wishes to all of you who are lost and looking for someone to guide you through this life, but I assure you, you would do better to just get a decent education, a good well paid job and raise a loving close-knit family. That is all. It’s true that if you do not like the system (World government, globalisation, the disgusting power of corporations etc. etc…), then you should try to change it, but following these illiterate morons around is not getting anyone anywhere.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
So what, Tsarion is a Freemason. Whoop dee doo. What makes pieces of shit like this Chris White the right to make such allegations?
March 17th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Andre and anyone else reading this please watch the documentary “Zeitgeist” it will open youre eyes to what is truly happening in this world we are living in. The true agents spreading disinformation are the governments and the media which are in turn controlled by the banks which are in turn controlled by “The Men Behind The Curtain”.
DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND WHAT YOU SEE ON TV. I urge anyone who is dissatisfied with life as we know it to please watch this documentary “Zeitgeist” get it out there, let people know about it. Once we reach critical mass , when everyone knows the truth then things can start to change. The power will tip back into OUR favour. We as a collective can change the world as we know it. Are you all honestly happy with your lives? I will take an educated guess and say No. No because everyone is at heart essentially scared, living in fear of what will happen next. STOP FIGHTING AMONGST YOURSELVES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Critical Mass people once it starts to tilt the other way (that is back in OUR favour us as human beings) that is when you will see change!
March 17th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Tsarion had at one time a longer biography on his site;his mother is from India,and he grew up around channeling,psychics,Rosacrucian,etc. and also affiliations with Krishnamurti,I believe. He is ‘from Northern Ireland’,but is not Irish,ethnically. He’s an outsider viewing outsiders,which can yield some fruit.
He claims to have taken that page down b/c of all the drama around mentioning Rosacrucian.
Regardless,his forums are dark and vampire-ish,and he is loathe to share/reveal himself. It’s alot of head stuff,just like most conspiracy stuff. Games in the mansions of God,that fabrication of reality created for enslavement of humanity eons ago—-keeping you lost in the Mind,or on the Astral Planes. Lost,distracted,but still Safe,in a familiar comfort zone with something external to enjoy,or be entertained by.
Not real.
Tsarion also mentions his background/family influences in an interview with Sonia Barrett www.sovereignmindradio.com
And she for one refuses,absolutely,to go into alien stuff with her guests. [Guests have included Jordan Maxwell and David Icke,but she would not discuss alien stuff and focuses on human sovereignty. The rest of her guests are more related to quantum physics and other tools/subjects for human empowerment.]
I just want to add: Notice how MOST of the conspiracy leaders [okay,barbara MH and blatv. are exceptions]are MEN? And how we are lost in linear,historical heresay and he-said she-said arguments? AS tho’ battles of will will be won thru the right dates and names,and who said them first?
PULEEZ!!!!
March 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am
To freakO,
I loved your alliterated litany of turning a phrase. It made me laugh everytime that I said it out loud.
Quite possibly the best post.
“you rosicrucian fake motherfucker, new age BS teaching irish dumbshit.”
I am going to rearrange it a bit to address an irish friend of mine.
Thanks
March 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am
I am always surprised at the responses of people when they become disrespectful of critic
and of people who do not seem to have any respect for the thoughts of others.
We are all on a journey, and all at different stages of that journey, therefore there is no need to disrespect anyone with words, all uttered words have spiritual meaning, and some people are in the danger of damaging the very information that is meant to help us all.
If you are reacting aggressively to something, step back and look into yourself, and than when you have calmed make your comment, this goes for ALL, for in the end the knowledge that we all write or read is for the betterment of all mankind, and NOT for individual selfish interests, at least that is what i think.
June 26th, 2009 at 1:20 am
KICK HIS ASS MICHAEL!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Andre, I totally believe you but I think Alan Watt is one them too (that is just my opinion)
to be honest,
I use to be a Micheal Tsarion fan like three years ago. Like a good follower I watch on youtube, forums and read his book. So I decided to do my own research on his “Founding” but I can’t find any facts on his “Irish movement”.
Atlantis are builder of Egypt/Kemet (I love learning about the truth But his full of shit plus there are more proof about Egyptian in Ethiopia).
Reading about he’s facts is almost like a read a fanfiction….seriously, Atonists, Hyksos, Megaliths, Scythians, Schism in Egypt…etc ( I know Irish community don’t believe this shit)…well at lets there is proof of black moors (the snakes) in Ireland.
Don’t define Micheal .T of his foolishness go do here own damn research on real metaphysics.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Christians Can Not Debunk Anything Properly.
You can take your Michael Heiser and stick him where your Son doesn’t shine.
Nowhere To Run is run by profiteers and wannabe Kings, those same people that loved to demonize the Irish, to kill the Scots, and to rape Indians in the name of their Christ Messiah that didn’t exist. Please don’t be fooled by this tripe. He will delete this comment I’m sure, but be forewarned that the man running that show and the money that comes from “high” places are the same things that killed millions in every inquisition/holocaust/sacrifice for the greater good in history.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
eden1464 obviously knows nothing about The True Rosicrucian Order which for all intents, does not exist for the common folk.
Keep paying your dues to the Masons and Catholics who run the “Rose” Orders of today! They send you such cool books!!!!!
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Curt Maynard has never studied enough literature to realize that Zionism is Aryan in construct and has never been purely Jewish! He is an anti-semite of the old christian kind and would most likely see the deaths of thousands of common folks of aryan descent who today are called jews due to the insistence of many popes as a good thing. He can take his half-researched ass back to the college he never went to, with his fake credentials, and love of the nasi priests…
To him we say, Fuck off
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Poor andrea has no idea what astrology is, unless it comes from Sylvia The Fraud. Keep on watchin
December 24th, 2009 at 4:03 am
In his book, Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology, Michael Tsarion intentionally quotes God’s curse on the serpent as if it is God’s curse on woman, and then remarks about how much God hates women as per his example from the Holy Scriptures. Why would he do that?
And why would he state that the Babylonian Captivity never happened when it is a proven fact with plenty of non-biblical archeological evidence?
Why would he say that the Red Carpet is related to “blood” when there is no evidence for that statement? When in fact carpets for royalty were actually more purple?
Why would he state that Solomon is derived from Sol-Amun when it could just as easily be derived from Sol and Mon (like Monday), meaning Sun and Moon (or Temple of the Sun and Moon)?
Why is he lying to me?
January 4th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Anyone can say anything they want about anybody unless it’s liable. Just because someone investigates aliens, stargates, extraterrestrials, interdimensionals, uses tarot, astrology, bones, feathers, runes, sticks or what-the-hell-ever is no reason to attack someone for it. There is NO AUTHORITY ON ANYTHING and everyone should remember that. Facts don’t really exist, only assumptions do. No one can prove anything metaphysical (except physics/science and math, but even then there are exceptions) without a doubt. So people need to leave people alone. If you don’t believe what Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Freeman, or Einstein, Anton Levey, Manly P. Hall, Muhammad, Jesus Christ, Buddah or Mephistopheles or Lucifer has written, said or done in accordance with their beliefs, then you have the right and obligation to butt out and go find some other doctrine and belief you can attach yourself to. Anyone who makes it their life’s purpose to chase down and kill other people for their beliefs is someone to be avoided and disbelieved. These kind of people can’t debate. They just attack other people and their beliefs. They are unstable and need to justify their own ignorance by making other people react to their attacks. Chris White needs to expose is own demons and work on eliminating them. Go home Chris and leave people alone.
January 5th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Bad energy from Tsarion in anything I seen him in, with his slickback hair and bug eyes. No passion or emotion, he is just a new age manipulator. Spouting fourth hand information by way of Maxwell (Mafia mason disinfo), Crowley (British intelligence asset and total luciferian knobtwiddler), Blavatsky (disgusting in every regard).
These people are tools.
January 19th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
This is to all you followers of tsarion,if you emmediately,without doubt take his teachings and truths as an absolute truth then are you any different from a christian?Dont christians do the same thing with the bible,they read it and instantly believe that that is the truth of everything.Doesnt tsarion himself encourage you to find the truth for yourselfs?You become that which tsarion himself warns you against and that is mental slavery,you are a mental slave to tsarions teachings and words,thats why he tells you to go out and explore for yourself and find the truth,YOUR truth!But just like christians,you dont know how to live and are afraid to die,so you eagerly rush out to find a saviour.Someone or something that will give you the answers to life and death,to ease your mind and give you comfort,you are no different than a christian.In the immortal words of the late and great jiddu krishnamurti DOUBT EVERYTHING!!!When you learn this truth for yourself you begin to free your mind and start seeing things for what they are,and you steel yourself against future attacks on your mind and you begin to center yourself.If you blindly follow tsarion you may never find the truth for yourself,even he tells you that,dont make him your god im sure he doesnt want that.If you want to explore lifes questions with one of the most brilliant minds in the history of the planet look up jiddu krishnamurti,go to the bookstore and buy a book or two of his,michael tsarion highlights him and bruce lee in his architect of control dvds so he knows all about him.He like tsarion encourages everyone to find the truth in yourself,cuz any other truth is a contradiction.
April 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Tsarion’s forum has become a one man show , no dialogue. There is one registered user and still they manage to have more registered users online. Now that makes one think.