Alan Watt: Lies, Threats and Plagiarism
Psychopathic RBN Host Threatens to Send the Cops After Anyone who Questions Him
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The cover of a 1998 issue of the Kealey Paper, alongside a page from Alan Watt’s book. Click to enlarge.
For several months Alan Watt has been making threats against members of my forum, and on January 6th, he named me personally, and said he would be sending the cops after me. He has continually lied and distorted reality, and after recently having been exposed for plagiarizing the work of a man named Glen Kealey, he is reaching into new depths of bizarre desperation, claiming that I am the leader of a mob that is threatening his life and that of his dog, and that the cops are coming for me. It is time I told my side of this story.
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I have been a part of the Truth Movement for going on six years. I have spent an incredible amount of time listening to radio shows and reading websites, checking out all of the different “leaders” of the movement. Eventually, I began to feel as if all of these people were mixing fact with fiction and simply going around in circles, without getting to the real heart of the matter, or offering any type of solutions to the incredible problems our species is facing.
A couple years ago, I discovered Alan Watt. I found that he was delving much deeper into the true history and nature of this conspiracy than all of the rest of the industry moguls. He seemed to make things exciting again, referring me to books and areas of research that I had hitherto been unaware of. At that time he was not yet on RBN, and had the feel of a genuine truth teller, with a level of integrity uncommon in this business. I particularly enjoyed the old recordings of the shows he had done with Jackie Patru. He appeared to be going after the straight truth, without falling into the traps that the rest of the individuals discussing these subjects seem to inevitably get caught in. He presented himself as a rebel, living in the woods like a hermit on very modest means, simply trying to get the word out, to give humanity one last chance to save itself before it was to late. I believed it.
He seemed to be speaking directly to me, saying everything I had always known in my gut to be true. He said that this entire system that we call “civilization” is a scam, run by psychopathic elite occultists. He talked about the true nature of man, and that every aspect of it is exploited by this system in a scientific fashion.
When I decided to put a forum on my site, people who listened to Alan began to quickly gather at newly created Outlaw Forum to discuss the various subjects and ideas presented on Alan’s show. It soon became clear that Alan was not happy about this at all. At first he made vague references to forums in general, discouraging people from visiting them at all, claiming that they were all run by government agents for the purpose of spreading disinformation. He slowly stepped up his attacks, narrowing in on Outlaw Forum, without ever naming it outright. These attacks soon became threats.
I can now see that Watt was, from the beginning, afraid that if listeners of his show were to get together and discuss his work, he would lose his control over them. They would begin to ask each other questions which Alan did not want asked, and eventually they would dig up his secrets and lies, and put them up for all the world to see.
Over the last few months, while attempting to stifle the free communication between his listeners, Alan has exposed his true self, and the little voice in the back of my head telling me that Alan was not what he claimed slowly began to rise in pitch. It was already screaming on the night of January 6th, when Alan Watt identified me by name on his RBN broadcast, and told me that the cops would be coming for me because I had dared to question his authenticity.
“I am Perfectly Genuine, I Assure You”
Certain things about Alan have always made me uncomfortable. For one, he is probably one of the most negative people I have ever been exposed to. He directly implies that everything is fake and evil, and he paints the picture that we have absolutely no chance of overcoming this horror that is upon us, and that there really isn’t anything about humanity worth saving anyway. I understand that things are nearly as bad as he implies, at least in the Western World, but my personal belief is that we as humans exist for a reason, and that we are experiencing this evil for a reason. I believe there is meaning in our suffering, and meaning in the struggle to overcome evil. God or the Universe would not allow us to be born into such a situation as this, without giving us a shot at redemption. He always seemed to leave this bit out of his presentation.
Tying into this, he also totally avoided the subject of human spirituality. He would acknowledge that there is more to the universe than the physical, but claimed that all religions were created by the elite to control us, and that all other forms of spirituality were “New Age”. Organized religion has certainly always been a control mechanism, and the New Age, with all of it’s cults, channeling rituals and “quantum physics means you create your own reality” mumbo-jumbo is not any better, but this is hardly a reason for a person not to seek spiritual enlightenment. I cannot say for certain that it was his intent, but the longer I listened to his show, the more I felt as if the show would likely draw one away from his own quest for the spiritual realm, pushing them instead towards a state of hopelessness. I fear that Alan could likely have this effect on anyone who put too much weight on the man’s projected impressions of the human experience.
It also appeared inconsistent that while supposedly encouraging people to be “free thinkers” and “individuals”, he would simply not allow anyone to disagree with him, even if they attempted to do so politely. If a caller phoned into his show presenting a view of the world variant from his own, he was simply told he was wrong, if not lambasted and cut-off. It was basically, “you are free to think whatever I tell you to think”.
I also always had the strange feeling that he was using some type of hypnotic technique, such as NLP, with the tone of his voice and the arrangement of his words. Though I could not ever really put my finger on it, I found the idea troubling.
“Your Love Won’t Pay My Bills”
By far the most contemptible aspect of his persona was his obsession with the copyright of his books. He would regularly launch into long rants about how people were giving away his .pdf files, playing the victim, crying about how hard his life is and how he has no money. On one show I can recall, he said 4 times that he could not afford an iPod. He would also beg shamelessly for donations, and use intense guilt tactics on anyone who was listening without paying their dues.
Why, I wondered, should a person claiming to be against the system of money be so obsessed with it? And why was he the only person in this movement not offering all of his material for free? His answer to the latter question was of course that everyone but him is a government funded propagandist.
I understand that we live in this system, and everyone needs money, but things are tough all over. I work 50 hours a week in a warehouse, and still cannot afford my own domicile. I spend whatever free time I have trying to aid the fight. Alan’s excuse for why he could not bring in some sort of income, like all of the rest of us do, outside of his work doing a one hour radio show three times a week, was absolutely ludicrous. He claimed it took all day to cook his meals and after doing the show from 7:00-8:00 pm, it took him until 3:00 am to upload the .mp3 file to his website. More recently he has said that he spends his entire day scouring the Internet for people who are violating his copyright.
Though this and several other doubts lingered in my mind, I was able to push it aside, as the information he was presenting was just so compelling.
“Keep This to Yourself, There are Spies Everywhere”
My first major clue as to Alan’s true nature came about 8 months ago when Alan stated several times that we should not talk to the people around us, because there are spies everywhere and we will be put in prison. This is totally ridiculous on a multitude of different levels. Yes, there may be “agents” who hang out in public places listening to people’s conversations; I doubt they are “everywhere”, as Alan claims, but for the sake of argument, let’s suppose they are. How would speaking in public make any difference at all? They already monitor everyone’s web usage, and have made lists of anyone who researches these subjects. We have nothing to lose anyway, as if we don’t stop this now, all of our lives are going to be a living hell, and most of us will probably end up dead.
There is absolutely no reason why we should not all be trying to wake up as many people as we possibly can before this thing comes down in full. Alex Jones even confronted him about this when Alan was a guest on his show, and Alan’s response was something like “people should not speak to others in their own area, but go to a different town where people don’t know who you are and talk to people there”. Whatever that means.
Upon hearing this, it hit me hard that Alan Watt was playing on paranoia in order to discourage truth seekers from exercising the one freedom we have left to do the one thing that may be able to save us; he was telling us not to attempt to wake others up.
Then the threats began.
“I’ll Make You Regret This”
The first threat against a member of my forum came in the Fall of 2008, after a forum poster going by the handle “Neo” created a site called “sentientsentinel.com”, in homage to Alan Watt, who’s European site is at “alanwattsentientsentinel.eu”. I told Neo that this was probably not a great idea, as the domain name was too similar to Watt’s. To make sure that readers would not get confused into thinking that this site was an official site of Alan Watt, he put a statement across of the top of the page stating that fact.
On October 1st, Alan became aware of the webpage. Instead of contacting the admin of the site and voicing his concerns, as any mature adult would be prone to do, he opted instead to go on the air on his RBN broadcast attacking and threatening the site (.mp3 link here, the threats are at 1:30 - 4:00, then from 5:50 - 8:00). He first claimed that it was created by government agents pretending to be him, to try and trick people and “lead them into forums”. He mixed his attacks on Neo with attacks on people who are supposedly violating his copyright, saying that he has “friends all over”, and would be “sending people to see [the people who have 'done the dirty' on him] and make them regret it”.
This seems to have clearly been a thinly veiled threat of violence. One member of Outlaw Forum, who is an obsessive follower of Watt, said that this in no way implied violence, but he was unable to come up with any example of a possible alternate meaning. “Sending people to see you” is generally understood as a classic mafioso style threat of physical harm, and I find it impossible to believe Watt doesn’t know this.
A couple days later, again talking both about “the one pretending to be him”, along with unknown individuals who he claims are distributing .pdf files of his copyrighted material, he reiterated the threat of harassment by his “friends” who are “all over the world”, saying “I will come down hard on you” (.mp3 link here, with the relevant statements at 1:50 - 5:00; transcript here). On the 6th of October he again attacks Neo’s site, and refering to the link on that site to outlawjournalism.com, he says that the site is steering people into “antisemitism” (.mp3 link is here, attacks are at 1:40 - 3:40; transcript here). Also worthy of note, the week before, when talking about the violators of his copyright, he said he had satellite pictures of a man named Alphonso’s home in Toledo, Ohio and that he better take the .pdf files down and send him money, or suffer some consequence (.mp3 link here, the threats are at 1:30 - 2:20).
The kicker is that he was implying that these people are government agents out to destroy him, and then threatening them. This is blatant double-speak. If they are government agents, why would he be threatening them?
You can make of this what you wish. It is within the realm of possibility that these “friends” he spoke of would do something other than beat up the accused, threaten their children, rape their wives, vandalize or burn down their homes, etc., though these are the images that immediately came to my mind upon hearing the threat. It is almost certain that whatever it is he was implying, these threats were a bluff, intended to intimidate the supposed offenders. If he was actually planning on sending thugs to someone’s house, he would not say it over the air. Alan is many things, but he is not stupid.
Whatever his intent was, I think it would be extremely difficult to argue that administering any manner of threat like this over the air to anyone, let alone to a fan of yours who you have not even attempted to contact privately, is the behavior of a normal, decent human being. These actions are more akin to the that of a deranged control freak who, unable to deal with his own frustration, launches into childlike tantrums whenever someone does something he doesn’t like. It is certainly not the behavior of a saint who would exile himself into obscurity, simply for the sake of trying to save humanity.
It was incredibly disillusioning to hear these threats from a man I had held in such high regard. Eventually, I swallowed my pride and admitted to myself that I had been duped. Alan was not the person of integrity that I had believed he was. Though he was presenting a different level of information than the rest of the “leaders”, he was in fact more disreputable than even the most shameless of the entire rouge’s gallery of profiteering conmen operating in this business.
The pieces began to fit into place in my mind. I realized he was not only not a hero, but in fact someone who likely had a diabolical agenda to push. Though I voiced my concerns about his threats on my forum, I did not state outright my rapidly intensifying suspicions about his real motives. I still held onto the hope that maybe he was just a frustrated old man who didn’t have a full understanding of the nature of the Internet, and I didn’t want to go public with my suspicions until I knew for sure.
Things only got worse.
“My Face is Copyrighted”
The next incident came when another of Alan’s listeners, a regular poster at Outlaw Forum who goes by the handle “ColossusOfDestiny”, created a domain called “alanwattfans.com”. On this site he had links to Alan’s podcasts, and was selling t-shirts and coffee mugs with Alan’s face on them. He stated that he would be donating a portion of the proceeds of the sales to Alan Watt.
When he posted the link on the forum, I and the rest of the regular posters told him that this was a terrible idea, and that he could expect to be threatened on air. No more than 18 hours later, Alan went on his show and threatened to sue the creator of this site, claiming that his face was copyrighted (.mp3 is here, with the relevant statements and threats at 2:00 - 16:00). He again tied this in with the real or unreal people he claims are distributing his .pdf files. He claimed that one of the people who was distributing his copyrighted files was in trouble with the police, and the rest would soon be joining him. All of the nonsense he goes on about is presented in this particular self righteous, self-pitying rant, and one can clearly see the disgust he has for his own listeners. He also mentions Outlaw Forum, calling us psychopaths, and compares us to the Rothschilds and the Freemasons.
He once again called the person who created the site a government agent trying to destroy him, before threatening him.
I want to make it clear that selling the t-shirts and coffee mugs was a horrible idea, and I am not defending this. The fact is that it would be plain to anyone who came across that site that this was just a young guy, who was inspired by Alan’s message, and was doing the best he could to spread the word.
Again, I know the man who made the site, and I know that just as with Neo, he would have taken it down immediately if Alan had simply emailed him and let him know he was uncomfortable with it. There was absolutely no reason, and no excuse, for more threats. It is the behavior of a spoiled child.
The fact that he responded so quickly was proof that he was now a regular lurker on Outlaw Forum. He was no doubt aware of the poor reception his “people are coming to get you” threats had received, and this time instead chose to threaten a lawsuit. The lawsuit was of course a bluff, just as the apparent threats of violence were. If Alan does not have the money to fix his broken chainsaw, as he has claimed, he certainly doesn’t have the tens of thousands of dollars it would take to launch an international Internet copyright infringement lawsuit.
At this point suspicions were mounting, not only on Outlaw Forum, but across the board. The events that followed caused all former followers of Watt who I have had contact with, save one religious devotee, to lose any remaining faith.
“Yes, I met Glen Kealey Once, Back in the 90’s”
The final proverbial nail in Watt’s coffin was quite fittingly bizarre in the extreme. On December 15th, “Warren in North Carolina” called into Watt’s show and asked if he knew a man named Glen Kealey. Watt said he did, that he had met him in the 90’s. The caller then told Watt that his material was clearly ripped off of Kealey’s work, and was promptly cut off. When Alan posted the podcast of the show on his website, he removed the caller who had called in questioning him (here is the show in full from the RBN archives, call at 49:50, and here is the redacted version from Watt’s site). Clearly, he did not want folks knowing about this Kealey person.
A member of Outlaw Forum noticed this strangeness, and we found Kealey’s sites (here, here, and here) and email group. Lo and behold, it seems that the majority of Watt’s “esoteric” knowledge has been directly lifted from this man’s work. All of “Watt’s” theories about the phonetic coding of language, the historical existence of genetic engineering, the hermaphroditic agenda, the troglodytes, etc., were directly taken from Kealey, without ever mentioning the man’s name.
What’s more, entire pages in Watt’s heavily copyrighted .pdf files appear to have been photocopied strait from The Kealey Paper. Images and entire pages of text are identical. In case you are wondering, the copyright on Kealey’s work is much older than the one on Watt’s. I am certain that Alan would have declared to the caller that Kealey ripped him off, as he claims that David Icke did, if there was any way he could make that seem plausible.
I do not yet have copies of The Kealey Papers, but I would not be surprised if the entirety of Watt’s three books was copied directly from them. One can go onto Kealey’s webpage and see images from the covers of the Papers which Watt has used in his books (example at the head of this article), and if you read through some of Kealey’s web posts, you can see clearly that Watt plagiarized his material extensively, giving him absolutely no credit. He even deleted the man’s name from his show, denying him as Peter denied Christ.
At this point, after all of the shattered trust and broken pride, there was nothing else I could do but laugh. I laughed long and hard. The “copyrighted files”, which I had spent hours listening to Watt cry his eyes out about, were in fact largely the work of someone else.
We discussed this extensively in a thread on Outlaw Forum. No one could deny it. It was just too blatant what Watt had done. We all knew what was coming next.
“They are Going to Kill Me and My Dog”
The Next round of threats came quickly, clearly in response to our discussion of Kealey. Here is the transcript of Watt’s statements about the Outlaw Forum, made after he discovered that we were discussing his plagiarism (.mp3 link here, statements are at 5:10 - 8:20):
Hi folks, this is Alan Watt and we are cutting through the matrix, and I have been discussing how we have all been brainwashed. The general technique of brainwashing means that the people who have been subjected to it never know it. That is why it is very successful. And we live in a scientifically indoctrinated age. An age where literally the sciences were developed to do with groups and they talk about neuroscience which goes right into genetics by the way, and eugenics, and how we have all been studied; the studies are ongoing. Most of the studies today on people and the groups they will join are done on chatrooms. Many people in the chat rooms don’t know they’re part of the experiments. And they break them down into dyads, subtypes, personality types, and so on, and that’s why it’s so easy for someone who is put in as an agitator to get the mob going against someone else.
These are experiments, and I’ve had a few of these experiments pulled on me, over the years. Always from the same group, from one particular forum. I know every single one of them, and so do the police. Because lately I’ve had threats come from the same group again. This group even had the gall to put up a fake website with my name on it, at one point. And you turn to the first page, the first link took you off to someone, I know his real name, called Andrew, and it was an anti-Semitic rant. So that one was tried on me before.
And now the same character has got the mob all geared up to try and harass me. So I have to warn you, every single one of you, on the website: it is being monitored by the cops. Because you see malicious intent, and threats, are taken seriously. And I take threats against myself and my life and my dog very seriously. So let that be a warning to all of you, in your own states of locked up paranoia.
Now I hate to even go off in that direction but that is what you get when you start to get known. If you are not saying the things they want you to say, or you are not agreeing with their particular spin on something they’ll come after you. That’s the mob. And most of them are just that as I say: they are the mob. They don’t think. And they are easily riled up by someone who knows the techniques. For they are the fronts, they are disposable at the end of the day.
Following his strange method once more, he first claimed that I was some type of agent running some kind of social experiment with my forum, using psychological manipulation methods to rile people up against him, before introducing his most nonsensical threat thus far.
In an attempt to switch the game up, he claims that we are the ones making the threats, citing this as the reason for his threats against us. This is called “blaming the victim”. He says members of Outlaw Forum are threatening to kill him and his dog. He just makes that up, out of nowhere. He says he has contacted the police, and that he knows who everyone on the forum is, and we are all going to be dealt with by the authorities because we are making death threats.
He says that these threats are “coming from members of the forum”. I guess rather than saying that we are making threats on the forum, which would be easily disproved by anyone who cared to take a look, he is implying that members of the forum are contacting him privately, identifying themselves as being members of the forum, and then threatening to kill him and his dog. That is what he is saying. Imagine it: “I am a poster at Outlaw Forum and I am going to kill you and your dog”.
Let’s just suppose that it did happen, exactly like that; someone wrote him an email, identified himself as a member of my forum and then threatened to kill him and his dog. What does this have to do with me or my forum? Why would he not simply forward the email to the proper authorities, and allow them to trace it, and deal with the criminal individual accordingly? Why would there be a need to mention it publicly?
Suppose they had sent him an email saying “I have a membership at the YMCA and I am going to kill you and your dog”; would he then call the cops and insist that they monitor everyone holding a membership at the YMCA, and would the cops go along with this, and spy on all of them, as he is claiming they are doing to the members of Outlaw Forum?
But he certainly couldn’t have actually called the cops and said we were making death threats, without any proof, could he? And which “cops” would he call, I wonder, given that we are all living in different states and countries? Would he call all of our local police departments, since he knows who we all are? Maybe he would contact Homeland Security and Interpol? Or possibly the United Nations and NATO?
Or maybe, just maybe, this is another desperate attempt at intimidation from a psychopathic control freak about to totally lose control, physically overwhelmed by the idea that someone can question his lies, and he be able to do absolutely nothing to stop it.
The key here is that he is trying to make people afraid to visit the forum by saying that they will be in trouble with the police if they do. This is a truly pathetic act of total desperation. Every listener to Alan Watt should be deeply offended that this man believes you are stupid enough to believe this craziness he is selling you.
He says “I know his real name, it’s Andrew”, and Andrew is the name on my birth certificate (though I was only ever called it on the first day of school). His having gathered this “personal” information on me is also clearly meant to intimidate, and prove that he has the ability to find out everything about us, and “make us pay”. However, this is not terribly difficult to figure out, and certainly does not prove he has some magical ability to go to a forum and find the personal information of everyone posting there, as he is claiming. I have to say though, the man is creepy. He does have that going for him.
It is also worthy of note that he slanders me with the label of “anti-semite”, referring to an article I wrote as an “anti-semitic rant”. That article is here, for those interested. Apparently, he believes that “anti-semitism” is a real concept, and that anyone who questions the Jewish religion or the Secular State of Israel should be labeled as such.
He calls me a ringleader of a band of brainwashed followers, riling people up to “harass” him. He is apparently implying to his listeners that this is somehow related to the supposed threats against him and his dog, but what he is actually talking about is me having encouraged people to call in to his show and ask him about Kealey. Ever since I made this suggestion on my forum, he has done shows without taking any calls, something I am not aware of him ever having done before. He has claimed that this is due to some technical problem, but one has to wonder how long he can keep that excuse going. He is going to have to deal with this situation in some way, and it will be interesting to see what he chooses to do.
He is backed up against a wall, because Kealey’s site is there for everyone to see, and once a person has seen it, they are not going to really be able to trust Watt ever again, especially given the measures he has taken to cover this whole thing up. It seems he is either going to have to go off the air, as he has been bluffing that he was going to in an attempt to increase his donations, or he is going to have to somehow attempt to address the issue of the plagiarism, by either admitting he was “influenced” by Kealey, or coming up with some sort of cover story, which could involve an elaborate fantasy tale about how Kealey is somehow working for the government as a part of some sort of complex plot to try and destroy him.
Whichever path he chooses, I assure you, these threats are going to keep on coming. Given the fact that he is clearly dredging the depths of total desperation, he may actually try to have me harassed in some way, and is almost certainly already trying to get my site shut down. If my site does happen to go down, or if I turn up missing (I seriously doubt the latter will occur, but given the apparent nature of this man, I have to at least mention the possibility), you will all know what has taken place.
After all of this, there is absolutely no way a person could honestly claim that Alan Watt is simply in this fight to try and help people. His behavior demonstrates that he has a severe personality disorder, which most assuredly prevents him from caring about anything other than himself.
Psychopathy is the only explanation for his behavior, as it would have been most beneficial for him to simply ignore Outlaw Forum altogether. He was unable to do so, due to his ego and the overwhelming need a psychopath has to control everything around him. If he had never begun with the threats, I and the rest of his now former listeners would likely still have respect for him, he would still be able to spread his defeatist message without being questioned, still be able to make a killing off of paypal donations.
He blew the scam himself by being unable to control his own psychopathic instincts. People were able to break away from him and see him for what he truly was, overcoming his lies, only because he was incapable of restraining his own evil nature. I believe that this is analogous of the situation the entire world finds itself in. Eventually, the very nature of the system in which we live will be it’s downfall.
We will never know for sure if Alan is some type of government propagandist, giving out extremely large doses of truth tainted with disinformation, confusion and paralyzing hopelessness, or simply a snake oil salesman, making easy money exploiting the vulnerability of people looking for truth in a world of lies. If he is the former, it seems that he is required by his controllers to earn his own keep while working this scam, in order that his ties to the establishment cannot be directly traced. This would explain his obsession with money and copyrights.
I want to state clearly that I have no definitive evidence that Alan is working for anyone, but I personally believe that it is the only logical explanation one could come to given his behavior. If he was simply out for money, he is intelligent enough he could be making a lot more in a lot of different ways.
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I hope that this account helps those fans of Alan Watt, many of which were probably confused by his recent behavior, to put things together, and begin to snap out of the haze he has lolled you into. We will each have to break the spell that the “leaders” of this movement have cast on us if we wish stand a real chance at changing the future. We simply cannot afford to let ourselves be diverted by men with agendas that we do not even fully understand. Alan Watt is the final gatekeeper. If we can steer past him, we are in the clear, capable of deciding our own path.
Watt wants us to feel impotent and helpless. The people in power are not infallible, and they are not gods. We, those of us with the intelligence to figure this system out, and the willpower to oppose it, are the most powerful force on the planet. Our biggest threat is not the global banking cartel or the United Nations, but the shill “leaders” in our movement who serve to neutralize us. Free of the psychological and emotional chains they impose upon us, we are unstoppable. God is on our side, and it is we who shall inherit the Earth.
We must tell ourselves everyday that all is not lost. We must cling to the humanity we still have left, and the hope for a world where people can just be people. Yes, civilization is evil, but we are here for a reason, and that is what we should all be searching for. We each have the ability to change the world, simply by the choices we make. The future is still wide open. We are spiritual beings experiencing a physical form, and the battle of the spirit is still one that each of us can win, and together, we can still save the world.
Stay Free
–Andre
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This article is not copyrighted, and Andre will not threaten you with violence, lawsuits, or police harassment if you redistribute it. In fact, he encourages you to do so, especially due to the fact that Alan Watt is going to do everything he can to silence him for putting out this information, and it needs to be widely available all over the web, given the outside chance that he may succeed. Andre would like to thank Justin for his help in putting this together.
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Update, January 13: Glen Kealey is asked about Alan Watt’s use of his material.
Caller: I can hear by the way you talk, obviously it sounds like Alan Watt really did rip you off?
Kealey: Alan Watt called me for weeks on end to pick my brain, Alan Watt bought a newspaper subscription, read it, and copied material from it. He never, I am told, gave me any credit for having been the originator of all the ideas; however that doesn’t matter to me, I’m not in this for money. He might be in this for money.
.Mp3 is here.
There you have it. Straight from the horse’s mouth. This should remove any doubt that may be lingering in anyone’s mind about what is going on here. Alan Watt is a plagiarist, pure and simple, and the only reason he is not in a legal battle over this is that Kealey is apparently too nice of a guy.
Watt was doing the exact thing that he claimed other did to him. He was making a living off of another person’s work.
This is a very sad thing for many people who put their trust in Alan. I regret that I had to be the one to present this information, but I simply could not remain silent about this.
Goodbye Alan. It was fun while it lasted.
I’ve been saying the very same things for over a year about this shill. Gov-Op#2 Jordan Maxwell went to the same shill school as Watt.
Very interesting stuff !
How long did the guy think it would be before people found out about him and his bullshit? Surely he had to have expected this information would get out eventually. Maybe he thought he could just resort to threatening people to shut them up like the deranged psychopath he is. It’s just unfortunate that this information is coming to light only after huge numbers of well-meaning people have donated their hard-earned money to the guy and bought his shoddy, overpriced materials. I guess you can make quite a decent living scamming people in this sick and upside-down world. Some of us, however, have real jobs and make an honest living, no matter how hard it is for some of us to exist in this world knowing what we know about the nature of the illusion we’re living under. We get up every day, bite our tongues and deal with it. Some people just con their way through life, deceiving people who have placed their trust in them. These people are sick in every way.
The suspicions I have always had about Watt (his secrecy, his willingness to lie and make shit up, his arrogant guru-like demeanor, his penchant for money, and the overall disingenuous nature of the psychopath) was confirmed by his regular appearances on the radio show/infomercial of psychopath Alex Jones, another person who has made a shitload of money scamming people with fear-laden bullshit and sensationalism.
This all only further confirms what I have known for years. This entire so-called “Truth” movement is a big con designed to rake in a ton of money by exploiting people’s fears and their thirst for the truth. I also believe there is a much more nefarious agenda at work here that is based on psychological warfare and Tavistock shock techniques, not much different from what the corporate media churns out on a daily basis but in many ways even moe blatant. This is false opposition designed to neutralize us and keep us in a state of perpetual confusion.
The fact is the full truth cannot and will not come from one of these bogus pay-as-you-go radio gurus. It can only come from within by questioning everything and doing your own research — not having one person tell you everything they claim to know and calling that research.
The truth will prevail. It always does. In the end the slime will be seen for what they truly are.
I started listening to Watt a couple of years ago, too, and I do indeed recall Darryl Bradford Smith identifying Watt to be some sort of disinfo agent. I also recall DBS questioning Watt’s unnaturally polished delivery as being too calm, too modulated, too manipulative.
That said, I must admit that I have found most of Watt’s comments about “predictive programming” to be very helpful. If only Watt had been more willing to identify the group who are most responsible for crafting and delivering this wretched programming, including those devils in advertising, television, news, publishing, and education.
It’s also regrettable that Watt has failed to discuss how for centuries many non-jewish populations worldwide have been brutalized by poverty carefully engineered by international jewish bankers. Read these first 40 or so pages of L. B. Woolfolk’s The Great Red Dragon for a description of how these bankers engineered numerous money panics in USA alone. Woolfolk also explains how jewish-engineered scarcity of money caused many honest Americans to toil like dogs, only to send their own children to bed hungry.
Lastly, while Watt occassionally draws attention to exterminationist activities in the Middle East, he has fallen far short of alerting his listeners to the Gaza Massacre and the perpetrators of the Gaza Massacre.
I’ve never read a word of Watt, nor have I listened to his broadcasts; only in the past year or so was I even aware that such a person even existed. Perhaps he is so paranoid of people stealing his ideas that it has had the effect of stifling his reach. (I was never an Icke or Maxwell fan either, so maybe if Watt’s material is akin, or connected in some way to those writers, this might be the reason why I wasn’t aware of him.)
A small correction in the text: CTRL group is owned by Kris Millegan. I’ve been a member there since early 2002 and have seen many a whacked-out email sent by The SculPTor aka Kealy, but he’s merely a poster.
I talked with both Glen Kealy and Alan a few times personally and I got something different.
A very interesting article, that I happened to stumble across while researching Watt myself.
Here’s something that I don’t understand about his operation: he’s got a website, alanwattsentientsentinel.eu, which he promotes in every episode of his show, and where you can get transcripts of the show in the various languages of Europe, thanks to the efforts of a team of translators.
Now, here’s the thing: Watt emphasises that these are the languages of Europe we are talking about; he almost never fails to say that the transcripts are in the “various languages of Europe” - emphasis on Europe - in the show, the site says as much, it’s on an EU domain, and so forth.
Why just European languages?
If Watt has gone to the effort of assembling a team to translate his shows into 12 different languages (not including English), it seems extremely strange to me that every single one of those languages is a European language - unless there is some *reason* why Watt does not want to translate his shows into non-European languages. But why would he want to do that? After all, he’d reach far more people if instead of translating into Finnish or Croatian he translated into Chinese, or Japanese, or Hindi, or Arabic - and it would probably be easier to find translators for those languages than for the smaller European languages.
Now, I’m not saying that this is proof that Alan is a racist. But it does seem that he is only interested in communicating to a European audience. Why would that be, when if his research is to be believed the matters he discusses affect the entire globe, not just Europe and people of European descent? Does he not care about non-Europeans, or only care about Europeans? Does he assume that only Europeans are in a position to do anything about the conspiracy? Does he think the conspiracy is specifically a conspiracy against Europeans by non-Europeans?
It’s frankly baffling, and the fact that he does such a strange thing (provides a wide range of translations, but only for one continent!) without explaining why he does it that way makes me question his motives.
Good Andre. Expose the Watt bastard. Personally I think the number of Watt fans will be noticeably reduced after your exposure of him and his not-nice activities. Quite fun reading…..he can’t work because he has to sit for hours in his cabin and upload mp3’s? :-). And he has to cook his meals for a really long time? Did Kealey say anything about the plagarism yet? Troglodytes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlRXQEA0yj0&feature=related
here is a short summery of this article in video form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ePhkVO4_4&feature=channel_page
Good article.
To respond to David Price’s comments in an earlier post:
“Now, I’m not saying that this is proof that Alan is a racist. But it does seem that he is only interested in communicating to a European audience. Why would that be, when if his research is to be believed the matters he discusses affect the entire globe, not just Europe and people of European descent? Does he not care about non-Europeans, or only care about Europeans? Does he assume that only Europeans are in a position to do anything about the conspiracy? Does he think the conspiracy is specifically a conspiracy against Europeans by non-Europeans?”
Its an emerging market. That’s all. IMHO. He’s sensed the opportunity to market himself and his wares to the European conspiracy industry consumer demographic.
That’s why he has those sites. The majority of the “truth industry” is based in the U.S. It really has only translated slightly to the U.K. and the rest of Europe.
Its all about marketing. I don’t think he’s a racist.
He’s a profiteer ploughing the furrows of a niche market. IMO.
Sowing seeds of mistrust, paranoia, hopelessness, mutually assured doom, etc, funnelling you into his dark, insulated sphere of fatalism; and then to reap his reward; cold hard cash.
This conspiracy/alternative media business is full of these people.
There are genuine researchers, websites and groups out there, but Watt isn’t one of them.
I always thought that transcript translation service was strange. I know a thing or two about translation and the industry, and the cost of having individual translators render each episode into “all European languages” would be prohibitive. Good translation isn’t cheap, and even the transcription of the text would take hours to complete with accuracy. So where does the funding come from, and why just the focus on European languages? My only guess would be that the future dynamo of the globe is supposed to be Europe, and the transcripts are a way of telling people how it’s going to be so they just accept it and don’t resist. Submit now.
This isn’t meant to be a personal attack, but Watt struck me from the start as joyless and robotic. Tavistock, anyone?
To the idiots talking about “racism”: you are hoplessly caught up in the bogus terminology of our enemies.
A nation (derived from natal) is a collection of inter-related peoples with common heritage and culture.
Extending preference to your nation (or race) is equally logical to defending your family - it IS your family. BTW, the word “racism” was first coined during the Soviet era by the usual suspects to usher in the hither-to unknown concept of multiculturalism. The fact that holland will be an islamic nation within 20 years should help focus your mind, France too within 50 years. It’s due to the “racists” of the past that we are not all speaking an alien tongue today… think about it.
Most of the materials refered to by the likes of DBS and Ognir are only available to us because they were preserved by nationalists (or”racists”) of the past. Heck, I read Ben Freedman years ago on some skinhead website, along with most of the books now found at iamthewitness.
The book you have to read is “a culture of critique” by Prof Kevin Macdonald (he has a blog too). There you will find the definative story that is being told in a piecemeal fashion by the “cutting edge” patriots of today. You will learn more in 1 chapter of that book than I’ve ever gotten from DBS in 4-5 years. It can be found online.
As for the so-called “patriots”, I prefer to use the term proposed by Robert Frenz…. pay-trio-ot….
He sows frustration….
… and reaps inaction!
resist com
Sorry, that should be PAY-TRIOT.
I want to say that a couple people have sent me messages saying that they (or someone they know) have talked to both Kealey and Watt, and that they both claim they are friends, and “share” information.
It may well be that Kealey does not have an issue with Alan Watt using his information, but this is ultimately of little consequence. The fact remains that Alan removed mention of Kealey’s name from his show, having claimed to have only met him once and to have not spoken to him since the 90’s, and began making up lies and making threatening statements towards me and the members of my forum when we began drawing attention to his “borrowing” of certain information.
“We will never know for sure if Alan is some type of government propagandist, giving out extremely large doses of truth tainted with disinformation, confusion and paralyzing hopelessness, or simply a snake oil salesman, making easy money exploiting the vulnerability of people looking for truth in a world of lies.”
To me, he’s always sounded like the latter, both through his actions, and also his general demeanour. There’s nothing quite as pathetic as watching someone hopelessly trying to cover their tracks, exactly what Watt seems to be doing at present.
Excellent article Andre, keep up the pressure.
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I was confused between Alan Watts and Alan Watt. I bet ‘Alan Watt’ picked the name on purpose. Now it’s clear ‘Alan Watt’ is somebody else; a wing-nut.
Thanks for your post.
Visitor: Please don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to accuse Watt of being a racist on the basis of his translations - because I have *no idea* why he carries out those translations in such an odd way. Maybe it’s racism, maybe it’s for the reasons Justin describes, maybe there’s simply no market for his material in, say, India or China.
But it’s the fact that he emphasises that he is translating the shows into “the languages of Europe” strikes me as odd. Why put it that way in the first place? Wouldn’t it be more natural to just say “various languages” and leave it at that? Why call attention to the European angle?
Frankly, like most of the commenters here (and Andre himself) Watt gives me the impression that he’s got a different agenda from the one he declares he has, and the Europe thing is just one of those things that makes me raise an eyebrow.
Bottom line: if Watt’s agenda was to simply spread what he saw about the truth concering what’s happening in today’s world, there would be no reason for him to emphasise the European connection every time he mentions the translations; after all, surely he’d be aiming to get the stuff translated into as many languages as he feasibly could.
By the way, I completely agree about the fatalism argument. If Watt is to be believed, we have always been under the control of sinister powers, and probably always will be, and there’s never been a society in recorded history which was not under their control. So, ah, what’s the alternative? I can’t remember a single instance where Watt has presented a constructive alternative to the current system.
It’s funny to see Daryl Bradford Smith call someone else a Shill or a Gov-Op, especially Jordan Maxwell… That makes me laugh…
You know what else is funny?
Have you heard the MP3 of DBS revealing himself to be a little bit wacky when talking to that other kooky character, Eric Hufschimid?
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Smith-Hufschmid-Bollyn.html
Don’t really agree with either of these guys on much, but that Phone call between Smith and Hufschmid was priceless… gotta send that one to the Mailing list!
Current leader of the highly predictable smear campaign wrote:
“I want to say that a couple people have sent me messages saying that they (or someone they know) have talked to both Kealey and Watt, and that they both claim they are friends, and “share” information.
It may well be that Kealey does not have an issue with Alan Watt using his information,”
Or it may not be Kealey’s information.
LOL
The fact that you have completely ignored this possibility is highly revealing.
Obviously this article is not about getting to the truth.
“The fact remains that Alan removed mention of Kealey’s name from his show, having claimed to have only met him once and to have not spoken to him since the 90’s, and began making up lies and making threatening statements towards me and the members of my forum when we began drawing attention to his “borrowing” of certain information.”
You are suggesting that Watt has lied about receiving threats from your forum. You have a thread on your forum (unless you choose to delete it after this post) in which you say that one of the former members of your forum, Craig Oxley, has threatened to kill you. Yet you assert as fact that you know that nobody from your forum has ever threatened Watt. How could you possibly know? And why would you assume that people who you claim to have threatened to kill you would not threaten to kill somebody who is not you?
And recently you have deleted several threads which proved that you were allowing people to use your forum to spread lies about Alan Watt several months ago.
And the person who chose to sell mugs and T-shirts with Watt’s face on it, and openly admitted that he didn’t want to ask Watt’s permission until after it was finished, you have given the benefit of the doubt. Now why anybody pretend that was OK?
Shame on you.
I wonder what you will do with your 5 minutes of fame. Maybe have another talk with the Irish fellow about “the Jews”.
the above post sounds like total shill speak to me.
Who farted?
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Logic is logic.
This article is about ignoring logic (or pretending you don’t understand it), omitting important information (e.g. Craig Oxley and his alleged death threat against Andre), and attacking Alan Watt essentially because he doesn’t like being ripped off or harrassed.
And it seems that anyone who points out Andre’s lies and BS will be dismised as a shill.
It should be pretty obvious to the thinkers out there what is really going on here.
Stay free (of ridiculous smear campaigns).
Alan Wat doesn’t talk about Jewish criminal terrorist war mongering activities….he never brings up the Jewish question.
Spoke to Kealey earlier on to get to the bottom of all the accusations. He mentioned that he has nothing against people using the material compiled from his magazines for their own purposes.
Won’t say anything further about Kealey. Find out for yourself what he’s all about. All I can say is it’s definitely different !
As for Watt. I have to seriously reconsider whether I’ll listen to him as religiously as I have in the past.
yawn
be your own champion
as watt has stated a million times
Bovvered (”Andrew And His Lies”) -
Do you honestly think I am a government agent leading a “smear campaign”? After all the time you spent on my forum, this actually makes sense to you? You believe I supported the man for two straight years, as part of a complex scheme? Does it really seem logical that anyone who questions Alan Watt is by default a government agent?
Even if you don’t have the ability to question what Watt is saying, you must have the ability to imagine that someone else could, without being some type of secret agent? Does it really make sense that the majority of people on the internet are government agents, trying to destroy Alan Watt?
What exactly did I write in this article that is a lie?
Note that I did not say that no one sent Alan death threats. I obviously have no way of knowing that. I said it is extremely unlikely - near impossible. But did you catch my YMCA example? If someone did actually write him an email and state that he was a member of Outlaw Forum and then threaten to kill him and his dog, what does that have to do with me?
Did you listen to the Kealey clip? Is he also part of this “smear campaign”? Is the whole world in on this? Everyone but you and Alan?
I am sorry for you. I understand this is very difficult; it is extremely hard to swallow one’s pride and admit that they have been taken advantage of. The rest of us have done it though, and there is no reason you can’t.
Thats a great article Andre, I didnt know Watt was like that but I have ran across others.
And now for the strawmen.
Keep ‘em coming Andre.
Why start sticking to the truth now?
Over and out.
David: I get frustrated when people reflexively reach for Frankfurt School memes to interpret the motives and behavior of the people around them.
I think Alan Watt has value. Recently he said that we essentially “parrot things into existance” which struck me as an incredibly insightful comment and apropos to the subject of contention between us.
Sorry for calling you an “idiot” as you are obviously not.
Visitor: It’s interesting that you mention matters of language and memes. I’ve noticed over the years that I have listened to him that Watt’s show is highly structured, to the point of being ritualistic, and his speaking style is somewhat unusual as well - rather than riling the audience up and getting them excited, like Alex Jones and David Icke are able to do time and again, Watt’s speaking voice is very soothing and gentle, even when he is discussing some quite vile and emotionally charged topics. Maybe he does this to avoid “spooking the horses” - freaking out the listener to the point where they are so scared and upset that they stop listening and miss the hard truths he is trying to impart. Maybe he is trying to lull us into a hypnotic state as some have suggested. Maybe he doesn’t realise he’s doing it… who’s to say?
I personally think he’s trying to gently mock us toward indignation. His fatalism provokes the rebelious instinct in people and it’s a fairly effective method against mob mentality.
I’ve listened to him since way before RBN when he co-hosted with Jackie Patru and he seems fairly consistent with his themes.
I think he, like A Jones, is wary of certain topics and broaches them via allegory - similar to Ike and such.
Overall, I feel he’s a net benefit for people seeking to rid themselves of indoctrination and those wanting to understand why the believe - what they believe.
“When I Woke Up !
When I finally woke up I took a look around. I saw city halls, courthouses, houses of government, churches, schools, and universities by the hundreds and thousands. I saw systems systems for managing the land, the air, and the water; systems for managing human behavior; systems for managing religion; systems for managing learning; systems for managing food, shelter, clothing; systems for managing love and procreation: a vast complex of carefully engineered systems. I saw millions of people working, not for themselves, but for someone else. I saw millions of people doing, not what they themselves want to do, but what someone else wants them to do. I saw the depressing evidence of a people who have externalized and institu- tionalized-in fact, have tried to standardize-the very nature of humanity. I saw a whole people whove lost the way of life and in its place have built a technological monster which does most of their hard work, carries their water, delivers their food, raises their kids, makes their decisions, says their prayers, transports them, informs them, entertains them, and controls the people it serves, absolutely. I also saw that the monster, seemingly unable to manage itself, was running wild, totally out of visible control, ripping the land to pieces, spreading poisons, filling the air with filth, dumping garbage and shit in the rivers and lakes and oceans. I saw all that, and I saw the people, millions of them, crowded together in cities, living side by side in towns, villages, rural areas. But I didnt see a single community. Is someone doing all of this on purpose ?
Yes, Persian Zoro-Astrian/Zoro-Babel Freemasonry is doing it on purpose!
The SculPTor
Adapted for CIPI from a text by Wilfred Pelletier and Ted Poole”
The above was found on Glen Kealey’s web site at http://kealeyne.ipower.com/web/previous/kealeynet/content/Glen/index_bio.html.
It’s also found on page 8 of Alan Watt’s Cutting Through Volume I: The Androgynous (Hermaphroditic) Agenda.
It’s apparently not a very well-known text so, in my estimation, the odds of this being a sheer coincidence are low. The difference seems to be that Kealey added “Persian Zoro-Astrian/Zoro-Babel Freemasonry is doing it on purpose” but Watt discusses “Persian Zoroastrianism” and Freemasonry elsewhere in CTVI.
It looks like we’re not going to know exactly how much Alan stole (photocopied) from Kealey UNTIL someone gets ahold of the Kealey Papers. But you can tell just by reading Alan’s books what was taken from Kealey. The pages that feature the larger sized font appear to likely be photocopied and NOT written by Alan.
It’s a good start to understand the religo-ideology applied in peoples thinking that drives the double-minded madness. A good source study derived from the anti-Abrahamic sources can be found in:
-Judaism Discovered- by Michael Hoffman II. Reviews at Amazon*com purchase at RevisionistHistory*org
IAMTheWitness*com
IHR*org
JewishRacism*com
JailingOpinions*com
http://anthonyhmura.blogspot*com
OneThirdOfTheHolocaust*com
RevisionistHistory*org
TADP*org
VHO*org
ZundelSite*org
I did an audio with a few subscribers of my site about Alan Watt being a fraud…
… You might want to take a listen. It’s the October 22nd audio here:
http://www.truthin7minutes.com/audios.php
By the way, I’m the guy who talked to Jackie Petru about Alan for over 2 hours.
She didn’t have a nice thing to say about him.
With that said,The sickest lie that Alan Watt tells us is that he’s not getting many donations.
Jackie Petru admitted to me that she raked in over $200,000.00 in donations in a single year. And she wasn’t nearly as big as Alan is today.
Also, dig a little bit into Alan’s address… it’s next to a freakin’ NORAD base in Estaire!
Here are my notes about Alan Watt… before I share this with you, I gotta tell you I wouldn’t be as far ahead in my search for real truth if it wasn’t for Alan Watt.
Here we go (remember, these are my internal notes I keep when I’m interviewed on shows about controlled opposition)
Allowed to speak on “pay”triot radio stations
Lying about lack of donations (Jackie Petru generated over $200,000.00)
Continues to threaten that he’ll teach small groups.
“I can’t go there” or “It would take me an entire show to explain it”
Apparently went to school with Prince Charles
Is/was married
Rumored to be brain chipped
Never gives us real solutions
chemtrails laid by air force no one is taking credit for
claims calmatives in chemtrails
links to thinktanks that put out scare mongering
said clinton would be our next president
Discourages talking to one another
Lots of scare mongering
Links to nefarious sources
Sells stuff / accepts donations
Never admits he’s wrong
Agrees with everything Alex Jones says
Website is always online and speedy
Believes population will be brought down to 500 million eventually (more scare mongering)
Says life expectancy is dropping when it’s actually rising
‘lives in Estaire, Ontario which is the same place a Norad training facilty is located’
This operation takes a lot of money to make happen.
“They’re on a roll. They’re always on time. There’s nothing we can do to stop it.”
Minor stuff
We can hear train pass, but never hear dog bark (Alan says his dog barks loud)
I’m certain a year from now, we’ll know much more about the “Great” Alan Watt.
Let’s avoid petty shit and stuff that cannot be proven. To be fair, I find it equally hard to trust somebody like Jackie Patru. In my opinion many of her claims are equally suspect as Alan’s
$200,000 in donations. Yeah, right. Donations from who I wonder?
Saying he is brain chipped and lives next to a NORAD base is rather silly and only makes the person making these claims look foolish.
I tend to agree that Patru’s claims are not necessarily of much worth here, though thank you Markus for the link to your show.
We just don’t need conjecture and rumors. We have the guy dead to rights. He completely ripped this Kealey guy off, and lied about it. We have Kealey explaining, on the record, that Alan called him up over and over and repeatedly pressed him for information. No one can deny this, and Alan can never take calls again on his show, unless they are planned, scripted and on a delay.
I honestly cannot believe people are still defending this guy. They seem to all just be calling me a government agent. Someone posted the article and the video Chris made on the Prison Planet forums, and people who had obviously never read the article were defending Watt like mindless cult members, chanting that I threatened his dog and distributed his .pdf files, the latter of which Alan has never even claimed I did. He did mix attacks on Outlaw Forum with attacks on these supposed copyright violators, who most likely do not even exist, knowing that his mostly very dull minded listeners would associate the two in their minds.
Then one of the mods at Prison Planet bizarrely renamed the thread “Disinfo attacking Alan Watt (Same shit they tried with MLK over 40 years ago)”,something which makes less than no sense to me. Apparently he is also an Wattist cult member, but what does this have to do with Martin Luther King? What kind of a person thinks like that?
This is all so incredible, the response this is getting. It is like the Twilight Zone. Maybe these people are just unable to read a ten page article.
Anyway, those with brains, and the capacity for critical thought, now know the truth about Alan Watt. That is enough. The zombies will always be zombies.
When we get the “Kealey Papers”, we will be doing an in depth analysis. I believe it likely that all of the information in Watt’s three books was simply photocopied directly from Kealey’s work. Although if people are incapable of understanding at this point, I don’t know if it will make much of a difference. Still, seeing the photocopied pages, side by side, will certainly be abrasive.
Notice that Bovvered (posting as “Andrew And His Lies”), who was the only die hard Watt supporter left on my forum that I refer to in the article, did not even attempt to respond to the .mp3 of the Kealey conversation. Honestly, what can you even say to that?
Well said, Andre. The evidence against him is solid, and I imagine it will be more so once we get a look at these Kealey Papers.
Hold on a second.
While it’s true that it’s Petru’s OPINION that Alan Watt is brainchipped (and I think isn’t likely quite frankly), it’s a FACT that site 41 is directly next to a NORAD facility. If I remember you can use Google Maps to confirm this.
I also know this because a subscriber of mine has family that happens to live at Site 30 in Estaire. And they said there’s no such address as Site 41… hmmm.
And about Jackie admitting to raking in over $200,000.00 in donations… trust me, that’s not something I easily got out of her. Let’s just say I used the same NLP that Alan is a master of to bring out that nugget. Think about it… she was begging (and using the same tactics that Alan used). She apparently made it seem like no was donating (sound familiar)… so it was not in her best interest to disclose this to me. When I tell people what she told me, you can almost hear their jaws drop.
And get this — I personally know more than a few who donated to Alan Watt. And I indirectly know many who donated to Alan Watt. And Prentice from Liberated Linguists admitted he donates a portion of every paycheck to Alan Watt… this has to be true because I was attacked big time any time I dared question the “great one.”
Here’s the kicker — my chat gets lots of Alan Watt “retired fans”… and when I tell ‘em about my concerns with Alan Watt, they sheepishly admit to donating to the guy.
I could go on and on here.
I think we’re being played bigtime here, folks.
Anyone wanna play over/under when Alan “retires”?
There is a certain ammount of wackiness among many of the pay-triot broadcasters which damages their credibility in the minds of “normal” folk.
This is more a sypmtom of their over-zealous rejection of anything advocated or implemented by authority. This tendency to “throw the baby out with the bathwater” is common - even among the more sober commentators.
Markus says:
“it’s a FACT that site 41 is directly next to a NORAD facility” and then, “I also know this because a subscriber of mine has family that happens to live at Site 30 in Estaire. And they said there’s no such address as Site 41… hmmm.”
I don’t get it. Is there, or isn’t there a site 41?
You also mention that you used NLP on Petru. Is that how you kept her on the phone for two hours? Was she telling you what you wanted to hear?
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According to my subscriber’s sister who lives in Estaire, the only Site numbers are in the 30s… not 40s.
Why isn’t anyone rushing to verify this… where are your donations REALLY going?
And as far as NLP…. as you know, I’m able to talk about this stuff for hours (once did an 8-hour broadcast with one 10-minute break)…
… Yet Jackie wouldn’t let me talk… I’d say she did 97% of the talking. I just listened. Quite frankly, I was bored… and then quite agitated when I found out she happily scammed her listeners out of more than $200,000.00. I remember trying different angles to get her to reveal the truth about her donations. Then boom… she said it. I was stunned and disgusted.
That’s why at my site it prominently reads:
“By the way, do NOT send me donations. And don’t ask to buy stuff from me. I won’t accept your money. I can’t stand seeing others scare you to death into buying stuff. It’s disgusting.”
Kealey’s site now points at Alans. This just keeps getting crazier.
Alan is so parinoid about someone from the “Company” slipping in past his security LMAO
Next thing you know he’ll be crying about the IRS and his pending audit.
HA HA HA! This is great, what a world we live in. Thanks for the article.
Though I am not going to edit the article to include this, I have a strange update.
Glen Kealey’s webpage, http://kealeyne.ipower.com/ , has recently been either edited by it’s admin, or hacked. All of the content on the page has been deleted and replaced with Alan Watt’s content from his “Cutting Through The Matrix” site.
I have absolutely no idea what this means, and do not presently feel comfortable speculating. This situation seems to just keep on getting more bizarre. We are discussing it on the forum, if anyone wishes to learn more about this strange development in the Alan Watt plagiarism saga.
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2701
Thanks for bringing this to light. What a bummer.
I won’t slam Watt for who he is and have to thank him for bringing a lot of things to light for us, even if it was taken from someone else. But it sucks to see it go down like this. Let’s keep it together and props to the real Truth, wherever it may lie and however it comes forth.
I just happened to catch wind of this and I just read the article.
As you know, Andre, I’m not what would be considered a fan of these forums, but:
Nice piece of work, kid, top shelf.
Watts arrogant monotone and his style of throttling any caller put me off from the start. My instincts are feeling a sense of vindication with this Kealey revelation.
It’s going to be very interesting watching how he handles this.
Glen Kealey Website Archive: http://www.archive.org/details/GlenKealeyArchive
Glen Kealey Phone Convo About Watt: http://www.archive.org/details/GlenKealeyAdmittingAlanWattCopiedHisMaterial
Books Watt usually refers to: http://www.neogt.com/files/doc/books.doc
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By the way. Alan Watt stopped taking calls as of now. I spoke with one of the technicians and he told me alan isn’t taking any calls even though there are numerous people on the waiting list.
He said callers have waited the entire hour segment and still havent been on.
Call in next time alan is on and see if he answers.
I just remembered to add a few more notes to my Alan Watt list that you might consider:
Gas would shoot though the roof (at a 5-year low as of 1/15/2009)
We’d be herded into overcrowded cities
Private transportation would be eliminated.
Bird flu would be unleased (just 245 cases in 7 years so far)
Form organized marches (even though he warned us against that just a year earlier)
Dollar would crash (it’s at a 2-year high as of 1/15/2009)
Andre,
I’m listening to your audio with Chris White and I suggest being careful with your facts.
When I spoke to Jackie, she told me the real reason she didn’t have Alan back on. It’s not over religion/spirituality. It’s a combination of things… the last being that Alan was programming people.
Why not give her a call and ask the source. That’s all I did… picked up the phone and talked to her… more than 2 hours (would have talked longer but I had to pickup my son from the bus stop).
Also ask her about the $200,000.00 in donations for a one-year period… let’s see if she confirms what she told me.
Here’s the phone number (right from her website):
570-537-3035
I’m still listening to your audio.
Where is this audio spoke of above posted?
Why doesn’t the great one accept any callers questions ? Another peculiar thing is that Glen Kealey’s sites are down or redirected to cuttingthroughthematrix.com. Some funny stuff going on !
Someone should try setting up a show with Alan to address the issues. It seems Alan is ignoring his own fans.
I’d attempt a show with him but I lack the communications skills required for a decent radio cast.
I do audios a lot.
And I used to be a huge Alan Watt fan… you’d probably recognize my voice (Mark from Pennsylvania) as I called in often.
It would be my pleasure to record Alan’s version of things.
Open invitation.
Alan, I know you read this site… please contact me if you’re interested in setting the record straight… I’ve been told I’m a very fair interviewer.
You can reach me here:
truthsleuthemail@gmail.com
Or here:
(717) 689-4207
P.S. Here’s where to get Andre’s audio with Chris White:
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/
Hi Andre,
A friend of mine gave me a link to this site telling me this is a must read. I think he was wrong.
Your piece is clearly a character assassination aimed at undermining the man in the hope that people will throw the baby out with the bath water.
The baby being the very valuable information which this person has taken the time to collect and share the sources (think of the books he quotes).
You have painted a murky picture of dirty, muddy bath water. Painted it very well.
Shame on you for directing genuinely curious people attention away from the information this man cites. I don’t care if this person does this or that - we’re all far from perfect.
Frankly if you have enough smarts you will disregard information that you cannot prove for yourself as it will get you know where. So I ignore the little quips about him playing guitar here or there or wherever because they are unrelated to the verifiable information be cited.
I can honestly say that I would not be awake was it not for Alan Watt and the books he has cited. So I am not going to throw the baby out with your bath water.
It should be very clear to others that you are trying in earnest to discredit the information this man has shared by attacking his character. A very cheap trick by a fool. Thank you for wasting my time.
Yamdablam.
What a suprise - It’s the same old suspect muck spreading agents that loiter around this forum that spend the majority of their time engaged in concerted efforts to discredit various researchers, piggy back their popularity by creating misleading websites, produce rip offs of their materials and profitering from unauthorised products falsely attributed to those they now attempt to discredit once they get rumbled. Well enjoy your 15mins of fame and extra webhits while they last.
Outlaw journalism…
the National Enquirer has more creditability than this place.
Yamdablam,
As I state in the article, I still believe that Alan’s information is mostly factual. He simply spins things in such a way as to fit his own agenda.
Guys and gals, you don’t have to listen to alan watt to get your “factual” detail.
How about you read the books yourself instead of relying on somebody else to do your work.
Here is a compiled list of books watt usually refers to:
http://www.neogt.com/files/doc/books.doc
read those.
Andre,
It is the information that is factual that you should be supporting not the man. Therefore an attack on the man is in itself suspicious.
Since your article is clearly not about information I think your agenda is very clear.
Your main thesis is that he has plagiarized another mans work. However is it not the case that all information is to some extent plagiarized? Why not question where Mr. Kealey sourced his material and call him a plagiarist and dishonest.
Besides as Neo has kindly posted, you can read the material that Mr. Watt has cited and asks others to read and make up their own minds. Where is the problem with that?
Based on the pseudo information that you bring to the table about Mr. Watt, how do you expect some people to react? Do you expect them to not listen to him now? Or simply to sow the seed of doubt. What is your actual agenda?
If you demand intellectual honesty in others you need to be prepared to do the same yourself.
YamdaBlam
YamdaBlam,
If you read the article, it is in fact a response to the threats which Alan Watt made to me on his radio program.
I believe it is necessary, and logical to examine the motives of someone who would first make up a story about me running a mob, and then threaten to send the cops after me. I do not think anyone can claim that a person willing to do this, simply because they were questioned about the sources of their work, is someone with integrity who should be followed without question.
This is not terribly complicated, and I believe the only explanation for why a person would be unable to understand it is that they have a cult like religious devotion to the man.
And no, “all information” is not plagiarized. Please examine the definition of this word, as you are clearly confused about it’s meaning. You can use Google to do this.
Do you have evidence that Mr. Kealey’s published work was copied in it’s entirety from another source? If not, it is extremely inappropriate and “intellectually dishonest” for you to make such a claim.
I must say once again that I understand it is difficult to to learn these disturbing facts about someone you had put your trust in. I fully respect your right to continue in your religious devotion to Watt, if that is what you choose, but it is not acceptable for you to make outrageous statements about anyone who is uncomfortable doing this themselves having some diabolical agenda.
Some of us just want the truth.
I think this is actually pretty simple to figure out.
Before I found out about these plagiarism accusations, I was beginning to wonder why Alan went for days without taking calls (I used to listen to every replay — I no longer do because I can’t trust what he has to say — quite sad).
Then he “tried” to take calls one day, but he was “having problems with the board operator”, so he couldn’t. This is so juvenile.
Now we read about this.
And he hasn’t taken calls since.
Why is Alan not taking calls? What is he afraid of?
Be a man Alan Watt. Do the right thing. Repent. Tell us who controls you. Point fingers. Out names… you’d have a bunch of people who would help you.
You have a chance to be the first in history to tell us who is above the Jesuits.
Since this information is attempting to suggest Mr. Watt is some kind of high level military / intelligence operative whose real address is some Norad base in Canda and you medling kids have cunningly uncovered the sordid crimes of this man i.e.lifting a couple of photocopied pictures from Manly P Hall (who is dead) and Kealey (who doesn’t care), I guess you’ll be waking up with horses heads in your beds and taking a swim with concrete boots on before long.
You all deserve a cookie
Is it really the Jesuits?
he he
Damn, this throws a spanner in the works. I stopped listening to Alan Watt I think… before November last year (2008). I seem to remember him actually getting personal and mentioning some guy’s name and saying he knows where he lives (what’s THAT all about??) So I didn’t listen for a coupla months I just needed a REST, damn he’s RELENTLESS!! The google search I made to get here was actually “alan watt gaza” because I was interested to read anything he might have wrote/said. Now I think about it, as someone else mentioned, there is a real formula to the way he works, isn’t there - and a singular nature to it where it doesn’t really seem to connect with the outside world in any tangible sense [except for that parallel normal journalist guy). I was always so suspicious about his monotonous drone and his need to always be right about everything and his directional theses... that is directing the listener to think in a certain way. Then as he said, a few times, 'you've got to learn to think for yourself, don't follow anyone, don't even listen to me' I guess he was right there. The information he speaks about is so compelling and like so many others here I've been so interested in starting my own research whereas for the rest of my life I simply ignored everything because nothing made sense... of course it's not SUPPOSED to. Now things start to make sense and it's partly thanks to that paranoid guy Alan Watt - so thanks Alan, whoever you are, for what it's worth. But damn, his approach to the material didn't do any good for my depression! It's true that there is a lot omitted from history - this is what we've always known. I'VE always known it even when I was a child... what's interesting is that I'd never questioned what it meant, nor looked into any of the benevolent forces which are guiding humanity as this massive machine (I really enjoyed and identified with that "when I woke up" monologue above, thanks for that). Thanks to Alan's obsessive rantings, the world doesn't seem so indomitable any more. I even visited the great 1717 Freemason's Hall in Covent Garden - interesting place. Apparently the world HQ for Freemasonry at one time (or still? it has been open to visitors for a couple of decades so it's worth dropping by if you're ever in the area). Bloody loaded with weird horrible symbols. I've also gone past the Tavistock Institute in Old Street (I think it's a new address because it's on Tabernacle Street and not in Tavistock Square but I've not researched this) and wondered about the experiments which occurred there as described in that 60s lecture by everyone's favorite homosexual drug addict Aldous Huxley. I've happened upon Chatham House whilst cycling through St. James' Square in the West End and thought 'Ah - THERE it is!' I've even joined the London School of Economics Library and looked up several dozen of the books the guy mentions on cuttingthroughthematrix. Some of them in this library - for example those I have seen are pamphlets by HG Wells and from the Eugenics Society - interestingly are donated FROM Chatham house and have their livery sticker on the inside front cover. Yes I live in London if you didn't guess.
So the guy has certainly sparked an interest in history which I never had before. And partially saved me after I'd spent two weeks on David Icke and realised what a sick joke all that was... However it was difficult for me to kind of link these concepts, these places, to reality. It seemed that Alan Watt was really over-accentuating and exaggerating the material in some way. It's difficult to describe but you all know what I mean. At the same time I couldn't decide if there were some kind of nefarious intention to this man's work. I'd never heard of this Kealey guy but sounds like an interesting situation. Maybe Alan pays HIM! Maybe they're both in it together! WHO KNOWS!! CERTAINLY NOT I! But there are some really interesting and valid comments here. Damn, is there some kind of dark global conspiracy which we, through our awareness are destined to put a stop to? Will it implode on itself? Or both? How many of these red herrings are there? Is matter just an illusion or is there some import to how we mould our material surroundings? I'd go for the latter of course. To be honest, the more I look at it, the more I reckon it's important not to over-react about those things which are hidden, or occulted. I have studied many of those books which Alan Watt speaks about (for example 'Brave New World Revisited', Jaques Ellul's 'Propaganda' [this book is particularly great, you all ought to read it], ‘The Ghost in the Machine’, various writings of Bertrand Russell, The Undiscovered Self, Spycatcher, Between Two Ages, ‘UNESCO: It’s Purpose and Philosophy’, Agenda 21, blah blah blah, loads of books - and it’s fascinating indeed to what degree we are conned in order to bring about this plan of global peace. I can see how he comes to the ideas which he disseminates but there’s no good just saying “we live in hell, pure hell and there’s nothing anyone can do about it” I guess if he were to be accused of anything, the greatest crime would be hypocrisy. Plagiarism is one of those things which happens all the time. I’d not do it myself, nor would I commend it, but it happens. Just look at Di$ney for goodness sake. As, upon the preponderance of evidence, to use a familiar term, the verdict from your information on this blog would seem to spell G-U-I-L-T-Y for a certain Scottish gentleman and I’d have expected it from the beginning though I did not assume it for a second. But I’ve had way too much oscillation in studying the material about which this whole thing is related so I am not committing to one side of the other. Through experience it would appear that there are no sides. Although to contradict myself every object onto which light shines casts a shadow. Life is full of contradictions. It is suspicious about Alan’s apparent behaviour of late regarding calls on his show - I find it quite funny and a bit boring. And a little mysterious - if indeed he is an actor and representing another individual or group, he has to maintain that character no matter what. It’s not exactly like we can take him to court for fraud… I like the open comment by one or two posters above to do a show about it, to discuss it. Maybe the truth is something completely departed from anything discussed here! Life is bizarre!
Just a final note to thank the forum and it’s managers for the debate. Thanks to all the people who have posted here, sorry I can’t be bothered to take time and comment on each one which interests me but it’s all good stuff.
wow Matt. I think that pretty well sums up the feelings of a lot of us who are watching this go down.
I doubt many would have cared about the plagarism if it hadn’t been for Watt getting pissy about it and covering it up.
Maybe as some of us go through this final matrix we can start to think about genuine opposition.
The Jesuits were founded by “converso” jews- aka Marranos - what do you suppose was the agenda?
Hitler rejected Christianty because he felt that the apostle Paul (also jewish) had “Bolshevised” the message of Christ and subverted the teachings - leaving Christians impotent and vulnerable.
The same can be argued for virtually all social and political movements throughout history.
Guys, Alan publicized his “excuse” for not taking any callers. I wonder how long it took him to come up with this one.
youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYVfJUDX7I
mp3: http://www.sentientsentinel.com/jan16.mp3
October 22, 2008: Chat about Alan Watt (and controlled opposition)
This has to be one of my top 3 audios ever. It’s beyond refreshing to talk to others who are awake and get it. This almost 2 hour chat talks about “the great” Alan Watt and controlled opposition. Enjoy!
1-15-2009: “Miracles” & Alan Watt busted
Alix (aka Spark of Life) and I talk about the breaking news of a miracle plane crash… then Alix gets cut off, so I talk about the latest news about “the great” Alan Watt getting busted for plagiarism.
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=17245&cmd=tc
Not willing to out the Jews raised a red flag about Watt. While his (Glen’s?) info is compelling, the ’solution’ Watt proposed was always cast in double-think, as Markus says.
DBS thinks we can beat the JWO, Ognir isn’t so sure. I’m seeing the US going Mad Max at some point in the near future. I’ve dug tons of supplies into the mountains north of Tombstione but beginning to think perhaps better to head for South America.
Andre,
I agree some people do want the truth.
“Why not question where Mr. Kealey sourced his material and call him a plagiarist and dishonest.”
I never implied or stated that Mr. Kealey is a plagiarist. Therefore I do not need to prove anything about the man or his research. I asked the question why not apply the same logic you have to Alan Watt? Or do you need somebody to threaten you first before going into their background? That is not intellectually dishonest on my part. It is only following a pattern you’ve established here.
Without knowing me Andre, you are attempting to paint me in a particular light by assuming that I have a religious like devotion to another human being. Which can be viewed as a negative trait.
Why do this when I am asking people to listen think and debate about the message and not the man. People always find fault with the man as you have.
Why not speak this message and ignore the threats Andre?
The bottom line that people reading this need to keep in mind is that they would be a little less well off was it not for the sources Alan Watt and others mention. I am sure you have also recommended books etc… to other people.
The sources of Mr. Watts talks speak for themselves. I have read a large amount of them and made up my own mind about them because I will not allow another person to make up my mind.
I leave it on this point Andre, ignore the man, his threats / agenda and concentrate on what knowledge about this world you can gain and implore people to use their heads to do the same. If you cannot do this - you have been had and good luck to you.
YamdaBlam.
Thanks Andre!
I was thinking about preparing a thread on your forum that was concerned with Alan Watt and some of the things you’ve posted here now. I see you beat me to it, and more, and I can only say thank you…!
I must admit, since I started to listen to Alan this fall, I haven’t exactly become more lighthearted or cheerful of spirit, to put it mildly.
I must say that the lack of spiritual depth, as I see in the whole movement really, was just a wasteland to me and I was starting to dehydrate severely. Since I pulled away from about the New Year’s, I feel a bit better. I can now only stomach Jeff Rense really, in smaller doses. Before it was Alan and Alex Jones too. With a pinch of salt, absolutely, but still it gets to you after a while. Look forward to check out those podcasts above though.
By the way, that was me calling him just before the New Year, “Thomas from Sweden” (and yes, sounding like an absolute idiot, thank you very much!), trying to pressure him on the spiritual point. I got some from him but as no big surprise not that much really. I can see you were thinking along the same lines Andre. It might just be me, or us, but I just couldn’t live in a world that was just flesh and bones and then that’s it. If so then the NWO could have this world for all that I care. But I of course still don’t like to see my fellow human beings, and myself oh yes, suffering so much.
Well, I might put that thread up (my first in that case) eventually after all. In some form. Thanks again Andre, you’re my new guru to follow…
yamdablam,
Your responses seem to be getting less and less coherent.
I should ignore the threats?
What you do not seem to be getting is that this man’s behavior is representative of his character. It seems he is completely without integrity, and thus I don’t see any justification for listening to him, and trusting his perspective.
If he is going to lie, than he is a liar. Nothing he says can be trusted.
If, as you claim, you are not a follower of his, than why are you on here defending his lies, threats and plagiarism, saying they should be ignored because “most of the info is good”? Of what consequence is it to you?
Watt is interesting, despite his reticence in explaining which faith has the “NWO” as its fundamental aim.
“Thomas from Sweden”, yeah, I remember that interview on Watt’s show. It really exposed how spiritually bankrupt AW is. Salvation is of the Jews but the stupid jackasses crucified their own Saviour so eternal life was opened to the Gentiles (of which I am one). Meanwhile Watt dismisses the Scriptures as being written by the elite - go figure.
Marxism (the New Judiasm) is nothing but thinly disguised Luciferianism, as discussed by converted Jew Richard Wurmbrand in his book ‘Marx & Satan’. Ever wonder why Christians and Muslims must believe in God but it’s perfectly acceptable for a Jew to be an atheist? Because the ‘Chosen People’ chose the devil, own the MSM and have brainwashed the stupid goyim into giving these Talmudists a free pass.
“If he is going to lie, than he is a liar. Nothing he says can be trusted.” Andre
That sweeping statement just indicated where you’re at and what you’re trying to pull off here, dear fellow.
Marx stated that his ultimate aim was to “dethrone God”. He also wrote about how the races of the world would be blended into a confused mass, leaving them without a sense of history and obligation to their ancestors from which to defend themselves.
There is (or was) an online archive from a French newspaper which published the private letters of Marx that contain the above statements.
So when you cry “racism!!”, you are unwittingly “parroting into existance” the world envisioned by Marx.
Truth seekers, though largely unaware, are on an unavoidable collision course with Hitler.
If you doubt this, then simply consult “Mein Kampf” and read his prediction about isreal - should it ever come into existance.
(israel) sp
See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/18/race-identity-britain-study
From what basis do you resist the “NWO” if you have no easily discernable sense of history or heritage to draw from? AFAIK, there is only one “country” on earth that has laws against intermarriage - can you guess which one?, and why?
If you want to march from the stage of history without resistance, then simply continue to bleat about the “ism’s” and “inequalities” of your Marxist overlords.
Why are you people all going on about the Jews in the comments section of this article? That in no way relates. Take it somewhere else. I am going to have to start deleting comments.
Hahaha! The Weenie’s pulling the censorship card!
Go ahead and delete then, Andre. Whether or not YOU think Watt and the Jews relates isn’t the point. Some of us do and TRUTH allows freedom of discussion.
Nevertheless, if thou must be a Nazi, delete away… Smeghead.
To Visitor:
“Israhell” (sp as per Ognir)
Sigh.
How old are you?
Does it matter?
Although it IS to your credit, Andre, that you’ve tolerated a lot of abuse on this thread and so you’ve earned my respect on that score.
AND that you went heads up against Watt, which takes guts.
Just wanted to say that I’ve listened to the podcasts now and… *laughing* It is a lot of fun stuff some of it. I had no idea his Cutting through the Matrix I – III books were that short… Only about 30 pages each? Why not make it just one book then? But if that’s true then I guess it’s not hard to figure out that it sure sounds like more if you say it’s 3 books and… -Voilá! You can thereby charge more $$$ for it. And he talks about Troglodytes in there too?? Wow, I had no idea… Why haven’t I picked that up? Guess I haven’t taken the time to read through this forum just yet. Some, but there’s just so much. And a good health would be nice too I guess (somewhat failing at the moment).
Anyway, the article links to the wrong RBN archive of “Warren from North Carolina” phoning in. It was indeed the 15th of Dec and the link is as follows:
http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Watt/2008/12/Watt_1_121508_190000.mp3
It’s right about 50:00 and like we’ve heard not that long. But mainly IT’S BEEN REMOVED FROM ALAN’S PODCAST ON HIS SITE !
Oh well, my feelings after a while in this “business” that you really can’t trust anyone in it are standing more and more securely rooted in reality. Stay open people and don’t lose your spirit, and I mean that in more than one way.
I ordered Watt’s books a coupla years ago (before he went to a spiral binding) for $75.00 incl shipping. Book 1 & 2 are combined under one cover, a total of 120 pgs, well illustrated but not overly so.
Book 3 is 85 pgs. I’ve read them twice and it’s a dense intellectual meal not easily digested (struggling against my own brainwashing). I think they’re a good value and would reco buying them if you can.
True, no one is without shortfalls. As a preservative against error and treachery, our mistakes must be admitted and confessed (if we have the revelation to see them as such) so we can continue our quest together. Mr. Watt should simply come clean but probably can’t due to constraints that may now be beyond his control.
Yes, the Spirit. Hallelujah!
Watt’s books cutting through 12&3 are on archive.org under the author “Glen Kealey” which I found quite hilarious. I’m not into siding with any sides on anything however I already came to the conclusion by myself about Alan Watt and I have to say I absolutely empathise with the sensible comments on the thread “Glen Kealey Alan Watt’s inspiration” which are those is up to your personal discernment. I have to say that I have no Qualms about people distributing Alan’s material for free now - it seems that his incessant complaining about people plagiarising his work was an elaborate ruse and an integral part of his double-triple-quadruple-speak. Of course it’s good to pay for rare information which is valuable and has cost someone valuable time and energy. I’m just not convinced that Alan is one of those people. Of course I don’t support a personal attack on him nor do I wish any harm to come to him as a human being I value him, he’s very intriguing! I have also read a lot of interesting books thanks to him. If he has to con a few people to provide this service then I’m not sure how I feel about that. i guess as always, it’s our own faults for being conned! At the same time it is a very elaborate con, and it’s quite clear that he is acting anyway - whether it’s a result of his own persona or a malevolent ruse, it’s hard to say without an honest and actual account of his experience and profession from him. We can postulate all day but it will still remain - there are people out there living their lives who never even use the internet. Perhaps they don’t get access to the deeper meanings of everything but I sometimes wonder why I’m doing this - it’s not like I’ll ever meet any of you people who are reading this and this feeling of disconnectedness is profound. Nor will I be handed any universal truths on a platter.
Keep searching people - but I have a feeling that the ancient Vedas and Chinese philosophies were correct - ‘the answer will come when we least expect’. And it certainly won’t be in the place which is labelled; “HERE IS THE ANSWER!”
If only!
Keep searching guys, but don’t expect to find anything on a North-American (OR INDEED ANY OTHER) radio station. Or on a Forum - though the thread aforementioned certainly has a value in helping those who have lost their way to nudge them a little. Life is full of contradictions and so is Alan Watt - best to take things as they are and ALL OF US have the ability to realise the real meaning and value of whatever we encounter ourselves anyway. “Thoughts are like bubbles and the mind is like a mad monkey - by following either we will go the wrong way” is some hindu saying which I came across. I do think the mind has a great value but it is so sophisticated that it can fool itself. Another great contradiction.
by the way
‘Visitor’, thanks for this article, I found it very interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/18/race-identity-britain-study
Especially since I live in LONDON where many of those statistics come from. Serious man, it’s like EVERYONE is here - although I haven’t met many Russians…
Whatever people’s opinions of this, we all knew it was going to happen, some people hundreds maybe thousands of years ago. It’s truly fascinating - the question is whether the purpose is to genuinely eliminate racism and create a perpetual peace or to create a single race upon whom it is possible to meld a single way of life. Whatever, it does seem that it will be in Britain first, the home of good old Rhodes and the other globalists. Fascinating stuff. Anyway, sorry Andre I know it’s off-topic I just though it was interesting.
Why sit and debate who has put together the material from the beginning? WHO CARES?
The important thing IS the INFORMATION, and what you do with it to help yourself, your friends, other people and the humanity as whole.
Keep exposing the global elite instead of this infighting. FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS dammit…
/Daniel, Norway.
To Matt Mason I would say
“HERE IS THE ANSWER”…
but do you want the long version or the short?
Oh , you have time for the long version? All right, are you ready? Here it is:
“You’re finished”.
* * * * *
(What’s that, you want to know the short version?)
“Bye”.
Thank you so much for putting this together. Clearly, this is the reason you were called to create the Outlaw Forum. Bravo to you and your members!
As Andre put it so well, truth cannot be found through an atheist . Our revealing host is proof of this as he has made the choice to credit the ultimate source of Truth. Well done!
My thanks goes to the Savior and the One who lives forever and ever because I was led to this message. It confirms the Spirit for me. Peace.
Andre, there’s a common belief among activists that infiltrators tend to be the member the group most suspected as well as the *least* suspected. I put it to you that you would have been a good candidate for the most loyal and therefore least suspect of AW ’s admirers before this conflict broke out. That is not to try to indict you on those grounds but to say that reasonable people might wonder about it.
My thoughts on this -
- It didn’t sound to me that AW made or implied any threats of violence.
-Glen Kealey’s story seems to be gradually shifting into an anti-AW agenda when at first it there was no antagonistism.
- Andre created and controls the primary community of online AW admirers which gives him the power to create more discension and disaffection among AW admirers than perhaps anyone else.
On the plagiarism charge - I’ve noticed that AW sometimes tries to incorporate the work of others into his own in a symbiotic way - for instance, there was a European guy who was using the term, “mass man”. AW gave a pointer to his website and then used the same term for a while. So it was a form of collaboration in that context, and I assumed it was something like that with Kealey, who originally bore no ill will at all toward AW, but now seems to be gradually conforming to some anti-AW agenda.
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STEVE MCQUEEN 20/01/2009 at 7:17 pm
To Matt Mason I would say
“HERE IS THE ANSWER”…
but do you want the long version or the short?
Oh , you have time for the long version? All right, are you ready? Here it is:
“You’re finished”.
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(What’s that, you want to know the short version?)
“Bye”.
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…What does that even mean?
Reg: You got some good points and observations there.
I dont want to blame anyone, I have not made up my mind on exactly what has happend here with Watt and Kealey.
But what I do want is to push the point of NOT involving or creating too much in infighting.
Watt or Kealey as the originators is not important, the important thing is the information about how the global elite is working. Help others to find the information so they can study it and then make up their own minds about what is happening in the world.
Daniel,
Do you view the secret code embedded in the English language and the idea that there are ancient mutants ruling the planet from the inner-earth as pieces of “important information”?
Because this is the main sort of thing Watt stole from Kealey.
This “not creating infighting” is also a total fallacy. If there are people lying and spreading disinfo, they are doing a lot more harm than good, and need to be called out. From where I am sitting, the people misdirecting this movement, leading us into irrelevancy, are a bigger threat that the Rothschilds at this point. There are a lot of people who know the score, but they are still being misdirected by the folks viewed as the heroes of this movement.
I am a Troglodyte, you will be assimilated…!
Cool people, we’re headin’ for 100 posts. And I just won the “Most Meaningless” award. Thank you. Still counts though.
Sorry…
Yeah, all this does is create more division within this so-called movement, if that’s what it is.
As I appreciate this article, and after some time dwelling on this subject, there are still some unanswered questions of Watt who seemingly is very capable of disseminating the histories, hidden and not so hidden, in a coherent and comprehensible manner, despite his flaws. So should people stop listening to him now?
I don’t have time to write all of my thoughts in detail, but will give a general rough account of what is what from my perspective. The outcome of my response may be “all over the place” but I don’t care.
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This article is an excellent review of how many of us have felt. The Collins Brothers, say, “That’s what scholars do, is critique!” Which is not what they (the Collins Brothers) do. They smear. This article, from Andre, is more of a critique. Is it true that Watt stole from Kealey? It seems that nobody knows this Kealey guy, but based on what is being written, everyone seems to have jumped to conclusions and excepted it as truth. I don’t know if this is the right way of doing things? Regardless, this article is appropriate. Maybe this confrontation was needed. Maybe it is what Watt needed.
I am not in defense of Watt per se or any of the others, but more in defense of the true histories and differing perspectives and voices concerning the evolving crises in our day, despite who is giving us this history; religious, spiritual or atheist. Not everything everyone says you are going to agree with, whether it is plagiarized or not. If it is true that he did in fact plagiarize Kealey, then shame on Watt, but this sort of thing happens on the daily in some form or another. But is all of Watts work plagiarized?
I am personally sick and tired of the bullshit politics on the topic of suppressed history. Yeah I know, it comes with it right.
What is it that we want? We all know shit is fucked up and shits gonna get worse before it gets better if we live long enough to see better. Has anyone come up with solutions? No. Not Watt. Not Vyzygoth. Definitely not the Collins Brothers or any of these other so-called leaders in this so-called “truth” movement.
We have been learning how fucked up things are for years, from many different perspectives. From the Christians to the non-believers and yes, take away the faiths and ideologues, and they all come to the same conclusion-WE-ARE-FUCKED!!! So fuck the whole lot of them.
What has bothered me from the start with Watt that is, is the fact that he avoids the problematic truth of the Zionist elite and their role in the system of things. Jones, Collins and Vyz are all at fault of this. They simply don’t go there as if this subject is not important at all. On the other side we have those who blame everything on the Zionist and if you don’t subscribe to this notion then you must be a Zionist yourself.
Ok, whatever…
In the last few months as Watt was making these threats, I had no idea it was directed towards the Outlaw camp. Now that this has been brought to light, you would think Watt would try to explain himself. But really who cares? I never donated to him and if anyone donated to him, well that’s their thing. If their not donating to Watt then they’ll donate to someone else. Again, who cares. I have never read any of Watts books nor do I want to. His book reference is all I care about, where at least, I think, he is pointing people in the right direction concerning history. I have gained much from the books he has mentioned, as the same goes for all of the above researchers mentioned.
The masses, including those in search of “truth” for what ever that means, can and will be deceived. And if they found the truth, then what?
If Watt is deliberately attempting to deceive people is questionable. But I wouldn’t put that past anyone. Does he use NLP? Could be. Is Watt deliberately avoiding spiritual matters for the sake of his own agenda or spiritual beliefs? Sure, maybe. We will probably never know the truth behind this man until he is long gone.
I have no conclusion. I have confusion. Confusion of people and all their issues that is.
May the people continue to be further divided.
Reg,
Your points are well thought out, but I obviously disagree.
-Many Watt fans have said that they don’t believe these threats to be of a violent nature, however most objective outsiders take them to be obvious threats of violence. We still have the fact that not even the Watt fans have been able to come up with an alternate possibility of what these threats were meant to imply. Even if they are some other kind of threat that no one can come up with an explanation for, we still have to ask why the man was making any kind of threats against his listeners, as I’m am rather certain this is unprecedented in the entire history of talk radio.
-I do not think Glen’s story has changed. I think he wanted to stay out of it, but when pressed by large numbers of people, felt obligated to give an honest answer. I think it is quite a stretch to imply that Glen Kealey is part of a conspiracy to discredit Alan Watt.
-I have no idea if this is true or not. If it is, than it is all the more confusing that Alan choose us as a target of his wrath.
As far as the plagiarism, it seems that people are confused about what actually took place. He is not “incorporating ideas”, he actually photocopied entire pages from Kealey’s Paper and gave the man no credit. He also took very unique and specific concepts which had originated with Kealey - word coding, troglodytes, etc. - and shamelessly passed them off as his own. He then of course made up stories about me and my forum, and threatened us because we were discussing it.
BiiZ,
You’re comments are balanced and well presented. Thank you.
How can we ever know what is disinfo, spin, etc, and what is not? Does it matter that much?
The bottom line on lies is that if you can’t verify something, it may be a lie, no matter who is making the claim. You never know. So simply do these THREE easy things:
1.) Pay attention to the things that you can verify and work with those things.
2.) Keep an open mind, including being “tolerant” of the people who think the moon is made of blue cheese (or whatever). Don’t bad mouth people and don’t oppose people unless they are actually causing real problems, and then don’t give them attention and energy, but try to neutralize them by asking intelligent questions. Also, remember that people who with phobias and hang ups aren’t all bad; many of them do have something to contributed, just not what they may imagine LOL.
MOST IMPORTANTLY:
3.) Learn and network online, but it’s all for nothing if you don’t work and network with real people in your own area… namely, your family, friends, and neighbors.
We do have a lot to work with already, including many things that we know and can verify. If people would work on those things, and find things to do in real time with real people, there would be a fighting chance. Sans that, things are not promising.
Remember that people don’t need to believe in or agree upon the same things so long as they hold certain basic understandings in common. This is what allows folks to communicate and work together.
The evil side attempts to atomize us into smaller and smaller units until each individual stands alone, cut off from the others. Don’t be fooled.
And what is the solution to our big problem?
Easy. Solve the little problems as they come up.
Example, the political process is not likely to offer any magic bullet. But there are things that can be accomplished politically. One example is the famous Precinct Strategy that almost anyone can do successfully, especially with a bit of help from local people. If you don’t have a few hours to spend on something like this, then you’re missing a big opportunity to network, develop your abilities, get the word out, and actually bring Standards, Responsibility, and Accountability to both leading political parties at the local and state levels.
Example: Natural healing is not a magic bullet, but you will function better if you are healthy. Sound body = sound mind and vice versa, as you know. If you develop an incurable disease, you may be able to heal yourself. Other people… the ones who don’t listen to your wacky conspiracy lore about federal reserve money and fluoridated water may be more open to the truth when it concerns their own health. And who hasn’t lost someone to the so-called health care profession? This can be a foot in the door. Gee, poor Uncle Bertie could have licked that C-Diff or MRSA infection if he took Echinacea and ate about six big cloves of garlic per day! But the doctors wouldn’t tell him that. They just gave him antibiotics and watched him die after the underpaid nurse didn’t wash her hands before she catheterized him! (This actually happened to a the uncle of a woman at work, just last month, and the man died a terrible, lingering death).
Example: You don’t like genitically altered food? Don’t like poison in your tea, etc? So grow a garden, even an herb and salad garden. Make herbal tinctures, or whatever. Trade among your neighbors and friends, locally.
Example: Are the government schools dumbing down your children? Set local tutoring networks and may be use online resources as well. Parents who can’t home school, can use this as an add on to the bogus government schools. Tutors can earn a partial living and children can study other material besides the new world order pap they are fed at “schule.”
Example: Are people you know out of work? Do they have any real skills? Set up a co-op like Mondragon on a local scale. Do businesses that can be started with little investment down and that everyone needs. Home repair, fixing autos, etc. and advertsing such services locally as well.
The single goal that all these small efforts work towards is putting people back together into communities. The main problem now is that the federal government has its finger in everything and their “experts” are running every area of human endeavor. People become slack and lazy, ignorant and disconnected… then they get sick, lose a job, lose the house, or wake up in a new world order.
Big oaks grow from little acorns. It’s just that simple. It’s not rocket science. It’s not high adventure. It can be pretty boring at times… but it’s the only way you’re going to see that big oak tree!
- WORD to THAT
BIIZ asks this:
“Has anyone come up with solutions?”
The answer is yes… I invited a few subscribers of my site to chat for almost 3 hours and that’s all we talked about… solutions.
The solution is easy to put into action — and it’s just a two-letter word: NO.
Look for the November 14th audio here:
http://www.truthin7minutes.com/audios.php
For those of you who know what’s wrong with life and want a solution about what to do next, this audio is for you.
BIIZ asks this:
“Has anyone come up with solutions?”
The answer is yes… I invited a few subscribers of my site to chat for almost 3 hours and that’s all we talked about… solutions.
The solution is easy to put into action — and it’s just a two-letter word: NO.
Look for the November 14th audio here:
http://www.truthin7minutes.com/audios.php
Andre wrote: “and the idea that there are ancient mutants ruling the planet from the inner-earth as pieces of “important information”?”
Were is alan promoting this idea? In his books? I have not read them. Because the blurbs and the information that he put forward on his site is NOT focused on the above. That information above is very seldom spoken about by alan.
The information above which you talk about is not regarded as important in relation to alan:s main focus on exposing on HOW the elite is working, HOW predictive programming works and what big names and groups created the changes in the world during the last 200 years.
Why focus on the small % of things alan might have borrowed and the making a big deal about it? Feel more like this article tries to put the view across that all information alan is promoting is “bad/wrong” and hence that alan is “bad and wrong in all his doings.
Do you see my point?
/Daniel
Daniel… did you read my list of concerns above?
It goes much deeper than Alan merely lifting someone else’s work. (Talk about hypocrisy… accusing others of posting his book online for free while his book was obviously lifted from others without credit or attribution).
And since posting my list above, more oddities are occurring. For example, why is Alan no longer taking phone calls? Why does Alan’s website show up (hardcoded… not redirected) on Kealey’s home page?
What is Alan Watt afraid of?
Daniel,
Yes, this is what is in Alan’s books, photocopied directly from the Kealey Papers. He gives an almost completely different presentation on air, though he does regularly mention the “word coding”, or at least he used to.
Once again, this info from Kealey was not “borrowed”, but actually photocopied.
I think you misread or misinterpreted the article. I say several times that Alan does present more compelling information than most others. I have never said that the information is “bad”, simply that Alan puts a spin on it that is intended to cripple people.
I believe that the casual listener can benefit from Alan’s radio presentations. However, the religious listener, which is what a large percentage of Alan’s listeners are, is likely to be left feeling without recourse, facing inevitable doom. Alan attracts a lot of otherwise intelligent people, who could well serve as leaders in this movement if they were not neutralized by his message of hopelessness.
This is my take on things. I believe that when it is understood that Alan is a conman, clearly without any sort of integrity or moral grounding, it is much easier to put his agenda in perspective.
Markus,
Kealey had his site fixed. A member of my forum did video tape it though, and Kealey has commented on it, so it will not be possible for the Wattists to claim that this never took place.
Also, I agree that Watt refusal to take calls after my having encouraged people to call in and ask about Kealey is an admission of guilt. I am somewhat surprised that he has not yet attempted to stage calls, though I imagine he would have a difficult tome explaining this situation to the network.
I find it quite strange this attack against Alan Watt, why don’t you spread your own message instead of attacking a man that puts out good information. I have not read his book but the things he mentions is mostly backed up by the elites own books and documents,
Marcus (not Markus Allen though which I thought at first); Personally I think it’s good that this whole thing once again underlines that we all really have to pick carefully from all the information put out there by all these radio personalities and others. You can’t trust ANYONE with EVERYTHING they say. Also I’ve always thought to myself that if any one of these characters were that spot on as they claim, and were such a threat to the Zionist NWO or whatever, then more public people have been wacked for less. So… Something doesn’t smell right here to me.
Also Andre puts out his own stuff obviously. Why narrow your ways in reaching truth? If you come across weird stuff about other “truthers”, why not tell folks who might not have picked up on it yet? After all, it might not be just Alan who is willing to “offer us a shortcut to reality”…
(Okay, I’m done with this “thread” – promise!)
So where can find a complete comprehensive package/argument on Alan Watt being a fraud?
“MENE, MENE, TEKEL…”.
Loosely translated: “God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end” (i.e. ‘You’re finished’); “you have been weighted in the balance and found wanting” (’Bye’) - from the Book of Daniel, 5:26, 27.
I think most would agree it’s over. I think we can also agree it’s impossible to unify those who hold to varying concepts and opinions that will forever prevent any common ground from being established.
And finally, I believe John Calvin was correct in his 5 points: T.U.L.I.P.
Pick a spot on the globe and dig in. After the treaty’s signed (Dan 9:25-27), you’ll have to weather the storm for 7 years.
Watt is right on a lot of things but he’s clueless when it comes to TULIPS.
Thanks for the headsup on all of this. So what do we have so far?
Watt has a photocopy from another source in his book. If you’ll look again there are copies of many things in the book, pharaohs, old wood cuttings, articles from other media etc. all of which were obviously added in to augment his work.
What do we have from this Kealy character, who has strangely said nothing about this gargantuan, tremendous theft before. He says in some 10 second clip on some talk show that Watt talked to him on the phone over a short period of time at some stage in the past, ordered his pamphlet and then some of the info was used by Watt without acknowledgment. This isn’t surprising since hardly any of the Watt book’s pictures/articles etc. have this, you could put “google images” under many and it’d suffice.
It’s all very interesting, but insulting people’s intelligence who are giving Watt the benefit of the doubt is a bit over the top at this stage. Going on what we have so far, and not the bunch of hogwash that markus allen is trying to push (Watt has a brainchip, went to school with Prince Charles, hundreds of grand in donations etc.(wtf?)), there’s no way to know 100%.
Having scanned over Kealy’s web stuff, I could only give a small smile as most of it is almost completely incoherent if not batshit crazy in addition to being put up way after Watts’ book was published. There are some things amongst the rubble that look similar to some of the more out there stuff in Watts’ book, that gives me pause. It’ll be interesting to see scans of these Kealy pamphlets when you get them. If they were published before 1999, and if Watt found them worthy enough to use as a source, I would really like to learn more of what Kealy has to say.
in “the age of information”….”chop wood, carry water”.
from what i see, knowledge isn’t necessarily power. there is a crucial caveat missing.
so then what about Red Ice, et’s , Tsarion etc.?
“chop wood, carry water”.
fun ain’t it?
I hope you guys at this forum practise what you love to preach and have obtained permission from the copyright holders for the images used throughout the blog front page?
You must have copyright holders permission surely?
But I see no credit being attributed to the original artist or reference to the copyright holders permission obtained for the “Vote” image of the lady in stockings, or credit attributed to the photographs that look as though they have come from news agencies?
What’s going on here? Not - shock, horror hypocritical plagiarism on a grand scale?
I see Andre is using the same tactics as the mainstream media.
Calling people who disagree with him “Wattists” is no different from the mainstream media calling people who can think for themselves “conspiracy theorists”.
I assume Dunc’s questions (in the post above) above the hypocrisy displayed in this article, will remain unanswered.
* about the hypocrisy displayed in this article
You’re right, I was not planning on responding to Dunc’s brilliant comment, as his scathing criticism and cunning observations cut to the very core of my black heart. Even reading the words again could give me a brain aneurysm.
But since you insist, I will attempt to match this man’s razor wit with my own dull intellectual blade.
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Dunc,
Your comment is the most delusional and idiotic of any of the Watt supporter’s so far, and I believe is a good gage for neutral onlookers to judge the degree to which you religious devotee’s have fractured yourselves from reality.
Perhaps though you are just this stupid, and that is what lead you to become a guru worshiper in the first place. I can’t tell.
Suffice to say, no, posting an uncredited pic from a Google image scan at the top of a blog is not the same thing as stealing a man’s entire body of work and passing it off as my own. Looking up the definition of the word “plagiarism” would be a good place to start if you are serious about this, as you clearly do not understand it’s meaning. I have made no claim to have originated these images, nor have I copyrighted them or threatened those who distribute them.
As you are clearly intensely confused about what is going on here, it seems you did not have time to read the above article before attacking it’s contents. Allow me to summarize.
Alan Watt did not simply copy a couple images from Kealey’s paper, as many semi-literate Watt supporters have claimed. He called Kealey up repeatedly, subscribed to his newspaper, and then copied the material, often word for word, and passed it off as his own. In order for you to understand the depth of his theft, you would have to go to Kealey’s webpage, read his material, and compare it to Watt’s books. The fact that you almost certainly lack the interest, patience, and reading skills to do this makes it impossible for you to fully understand this situation, and thus makes it impossible for us to debate it. Of those who have compared the two bodies of work, there is not a single person who has made the claim that Watt did not outright plagiarize the man.
Thank you for your comments.
So in summary what your really saying is you did not bother to get the copyright holders permission for either the artists graphic or the photographers work?
You are in fact technically passing it off as your own failing to even speaking to the original artists or news agencies concerned who spent their time and money to produced the work themselves.
I think we understand the situation here. Thanks for clearing it up.
Nicely twisted into Watt rant at the same time though.
Dunc is nothing more than a hero-worshiping wattist zombie, who along with every other mindless fanatic in this so-called truth movement, can’t muster the necessary intestinal fortitude to come to grips with the fact that Alan Watt, being no different than Alex Jones, is nothing more than a news disseminating profiteering defeatist agent, whose job it is to to see to it that his loyalist pay-t-riot followers are continually inundated with useless day-to-day mainstream facts, from which their conditioned reflections ultimately conclude that no real significant gains will ever truly be accomplished or realized and so therefore all is lost so why even bother.
It’s not the fact that 95% of Alan Watt and Alex Jones’ information is factually accurate, but rather that the remining 5% being used for psychological warfar purposes, serving to stagnate and leave their listeners with a feeling of helplessness and dispair, I feel adequate consideration isn’t properly being given.
Andre, I wouldn’t give these types of drones your time of day, because the way I see it….they’re nothing more than virus infected computer programs parroting the nonsensical NLP double-speak they’ve learned by faithfully listening to the weekly episodes of their can-do-no-wrong heros: Alex Jones and Alan Watt.
“From this talented group of specialists emerged an outstanding revelation: only a very small group something on the order of 13% of any given population will make use of a rational thought process when confronting a problem, as opposed to 87% who will merely pass an opinion on it. This applies to such grave matters as waging war as well as to any other problem facing humanity.
It is based on the fact that the human mind has a limited capacity of thought; only so many problems and matters of personal concern can occupy one person’s conscious thought. As a new concern enters, an existing one must leave. What is true for the individual is also true for a society.”
- Barbarians inside the Gates by Donn de Gran Pre’
A coward always seeks to find a hero, whereas those individually courageous oftentimes are the heroes!
I found this article very valuable and now have a greater respect for the Truth Movement because there are no secrets in the truth. If someone is a fake, phony or fraud or plagiarizing someone else’s work or ideas they eventually become exposed. The world we live in is highly weaved with trickery and thievery but the true student of truth will seek it out and expose the rascalian. Good work.
Signed: Grateful to be in your know of the truth and how it is impressed upon by all. Peace an Light to all my brothers and sisters whose goal it is to impart truth to mankind.
FREEYOURMIND………….
I find it funny that you have Michael Tsarion and David Icke on your myspace page as your top fav friends…LOL!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!
I know they-too are probably news disseminating agents as well, I just haven’t gone deep enough to disprove or poke holes in their books and/or presentations to come to a conclusive determination.
However, rest assured that as I become exposed to and/or made aware of information that in fact does brings their credibility into question- you can bet your bottom dollar that they’ll be “officially” re-categorized within my list of friends similar to when I removed Alex Jones from my fab-four.
The difference with me, I feel, is the fact that I’m willing to question and challenge the validity of the instruction these guru’s are propagating; whereas others won’t even consider discussing the possibility that disinformation and agenda’s even exist on such a scale.
I’m willing to face that truth, and as soon as I find, or someone presents a strong enough argument in that regard, I shall surely revisit my attitudes toward that individual and the subject matter he or she was promoting.
Suffice it to say that Tsarion and Icke are still on my fab-four pending further notice of credible evidence as to why they shouldn’t be. This is not to say that they haven’t or can do no wrong, it’s just that I’ve yet to come across definitive evidence to isolate their culpability.
And thanks for visiting my myspace!
*****
**** Andre(w) wrote: “I believe there is meaning in our suffering, and meaning in the struggle to overcome evil. God or the Universe would not allow us to be born into such a situation as this, without giving us a shot at redemption. He always seemed to leave this bit out of his presentation.”
How strange that Alan Watt leaves out Andre(w)’s belief system in his shows? Alan should believe what Andre(w) believes about God. Andre believes GOD allows suffering on Earth the whole point of ust it is giving “redemption” a “shot”.
This has to be one of the most predictable smear campaigns that I have come across in a long time. Lets break it down; 1, “Neo” the first provocateur set up a website and passed out free pdf copies of Watts books.
2,”ColossusOfDestiny” the second provocateur then sets up an Alan Watt merchandise website. The obvious purpose of these calculated provocations was to goad Watt into reacting. When Watt reacts Andrew predictably went into “shock horror”/ “butter wouldn’t melt in my mouth” mode and cranks up the smear campaign. “Neo” and “ColossusOfDestiny” (whoever the fuck they are) laid the foundation for the smear campaign, Andrew is building on it.
Taxijack,
No one associated with Outlaw ever passed out free copies of “Watt’s” books. Watt does not even make this claim.
I have no idea why I am still responding to comments from you zombies. But I wanted to make that clear.
About 33 minutes into Alan’s 2/9/2009 broadcast, Alan asks the board operator at RBN to pass on callers.
But the board operator must be asleep at the wheel because no callers were ever able to get through.
Damn board operator.
So Alan hasn’t taken callers since before Christmas (if I remember correctly).
Hmmmmm. What is Alan so afraid of these days?
I’m still listening… let’s see if he eventually takes a caller’s question.
Aren’t we missing the point here? We are not to put these ‘truth speakers’ on a pedestal or we run the risk of finding faults & throwing the baby out with the bath water. We are to take the info. they offer, RESEARCH it for ourselves & come to our own conclusions. These people are human with their own quirks & if you understood personality disorders, you’d realize that these types do sometimes fall under Axis A or C but B? The man would be rolling in dough & have moved onto to the next scheme by now.
The threats? If someone tried publicly discrediting you, would you not resort to any tactic that would work, to maintain your reputation otherwise you’d loose respect? That’s human, even threats that can’t be carried out is a line of defense.
Money, are you not trying to capitalize here? People do what they can with what they have. Have you ever tried living by simple means? It’s hard work just to keep wood cut & the fire going much less having to drive to town which takes half the day - God, I know!
Copyrighted material? One, how many research papers did you write that damn near recited points from another, almost word for word? Two, I’d rather read the words from the source than someone else’s interpretation who knows less on the subject. Maybe he & this Kealey have an agreement? Maybe Kealey doesn’t want attention brought to himself? There are too many other considerations when questioning that…always a third side to everything.
Hanging up on people? Don’t blame him half the time but he could use some work on tactfulness but most people I know could as well. Not to mention, when you’re on the spot you don’t react as you would of wanted to.
European language? How many American ‘truth speakers’ do you know cater to any other language, period? He probably is bias (as good ole Americans consistently demonstrate) but it is all spoken in English is it not?
To not speak to others around you? You seem to of misunderstood. If I were to mention any of this type of info. to MOST of my neighbors, they would have my head & make life very hard on me. But, if I could slowly start at their level, then I could bring them up to speed. Unfortunately, as Alan has said, it takes energy & time which we don’t have & should focus on those who are showing signs of ‘intelligence’.
Last, the beginning of your write-up here begins very nicely, rational in approach but you jump straight into opinion mode. Though you may mean what you say, the remainder seems to grab at straws, going from one issue to another. I’m sorry if you were offended by this man’s sometimes insensitive nature but please don’t confuse people anymore than they are. You are right to point out incongruities but don’t run with it as a way to avenge, without attempting to have all facts, points of view, etc. in hand. It only hurts you & those who are trying to come to their own conclusions.
I’m not an Alan Watt groupie & there are things I don’t care for in the man but he doesn’t raise my blood pressure-up, instill fear, dictate my sense of hope & anyone who tells you, “To think for yourself & not take his word for it” deserves my ‘discerning’ ear.
Sorry for the lengthy entry but as far as starting a fan website & selling t-shirts, mugs, etc. with his face or site name - you always need to first ask permission. How do you think Oprah would of reacted if you attempted the same with her. You can’t even list her site without permission. He has his reasons & maybe if you collaborated with him, we all could be discussing subjects of importance instead of how this man is as a person. That’s all…please don’t be offended, I’m just trying to give another point of view of here.
Individualist,
Thank you for your comments. And no, I am not offended.
Obviously most of your points were addressed ad nauseum in the article itself and my subsequent responses to other commenter, so I won’t rehash all of it, but just a couple things:
Outlawjournalism.com is not a business venture. I pay each month out of my own pocket to keep this site up, and it has never earned me a dime.
Alan is probably making thousands of dollars a month in donations, and is still trying to guilt trip all of his listeners into giving more. At least half of the people who have contacted me about this situation, former Watt fans, have admitted to having given him regular donations.
You apparently did not hear Alan saying that we should not talk to others, as what you have relayed in no way resembles what he actually said.
I also do not accept that people genuinely trying to come to their own conclusions could be hurt by what I have presented here. All of the threats and defamation spewed out by Watt are part of the public record; I have simply given my take on what I believe can be drawn from them. If in face there is no issue, and lies, threats and plagiarism are acceptable virtues to those seeking the truth, than they can simply go on following Watt as they did before, as many, including yourself apparently, have chosen to do.
Obviously anyone can say “think for yourself”, but the fact is whenever a caller has tried to present an alternate point of view, Alan has belittled them in some way or other, asserting that his perspective is the only acceptable one. While saying “think for yourself”, there is the blatant subtext “as long as it’s what I’ve told you to think”. Anyone familiar with the man’s show, back before he stopped taking calls, can attest to this.
What you have done above is make a series of bizarre rationalizations for why you should not be concerned about any of this. You have not looked at Kealey’s site or you would not frame the plagiarism as you have. You have not listened to the audio of Kealey saying that Watt pressed him for material and then published it without permission as his own or you would not be suggesting they have a “deal”. You have also not addressed why Alan would be claiming on the radio the I am leading a mob as soon as we began to discuss the Kealey question on the Outlaw Forum. Nor have you commented on his refusal to take calls after I asked people to call in and question him about Kealey.
I suggest you do as Alan suggests, and attempt to evaluate yourself and the reasoning behind your beliefs about the nature of Mr. Watt before you draw a definite conclusion. At this point you are not acting as an individualist, but simply playing follow the leader.
And… your motivation for creating this sick joke of a webshite was WATT exactly again, “Andre”?
According to you, the point of this exercise is so you can heroically warn us of the “dangers” of listening to a mad Scotsman… who might occasionally talk about lesser-known books and history… on the radio. OK… I can see how that might pose dangers. Incredible dangers. Dangers to who again? To the listeners of a radio show? LOL! Thanks for your concern but I’ll continue to decide for myself what radio programmes I choose to/not to listen to, thanks. And correct me if I’m wrong… isn’t the only “danger” here to the NWO? Of course though, you’re perfectly right. As everyone but the “n00bs” know, a low, monotonous Scottish accent is well known for its NLP brainwashing effects and causes the victim to drop on the floor flapping about uncontrollably in a trance. It is evil. Veeeerrrry evil. Aye laddie! It’s a little-known fact that anyone who listens to Alan Watt cannot resist the temptation of the dark side and switches into a religious “Wattist” zombie at the crack o’ nooon under the gloom o’ mooon! AYE!! THE PIPES!!!! Somebody say three “Hail Hamishes” quick!! AAARRGHHH!!!! HAMISH! HAMISH HAMISH! WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! LMAO!!!!
You don’t deserve any more than that. You deserve to be ignored and forgotten. But hey, I feel sorry for you. Let me give you a clue where you went wrong with your prize-winning “Wattergate” scandal. You didn’t exactly do yourself any favours with that arrogant sanctimonious attitude of yours and the way you attacked an honourable and gentlemanly man who never hurt anybody. But your accusation of him using “NLP techniques” (which you actually boast to be an expert on YOURSELF) to keep everyone “inactive” was the kicker. Mainly, because I know *I* am not inactive. Sorry to burst your Bernays bubble. I hereby confess to the crime of listening to Alan Watt’s radio show on a somewhat regular basis. No more or less than anything else. And if I *SHOCK! HORROR!* happen to miss a few shows, I can barely manage to live more than 33 seconds until I get my next “Watt fix”. And the last time I checked I don’t hold a club membership card for the church of Watt cult. Nor, do I centre my entire being of existence thinking and obsessing over Alan Watt all day every day like certain people, Andre.
Please tell us, who are these “Wattists” you seem to know all about who are popping up everywhere you look? In the mirror, maybe?
Even more bizarrely… Neither, last time I checked (Yesterday actually on the 11th) are the HUNDREDS of people I know at our We Are Change demonstrations and affiliate groups across the country, “inactive”. And (surprise surprise), we occasionally DARE to study the books and subjects Alan Watt brought to our attention in the first place. Some of us even woke up and GOT active because of Watt and his shows and wouldn’t even be here if it wasn’t for him. So, we’re interested to see your EVIDENCE that Alan Watt’s radio shows “breed inaction”, thanks. Not just because YOU you say it does. Paid PSY-OP agents say the sort of things you do verbatim from the Army manual. But you can’t be “one of those”, can you? Thanks for clearing it up. So I guess the only “inaction” you can be referring to is YOU? Inside your head? I hate to say it Andre, but your “friends” sound like frightened jellyfish who actually need a hero (or a bully like you) to protect them and tell them what to do. Still, like Huxley said, there are those who enjoy their servitude, so we agree and respect their decision to be slaves. However it is not my decision nor any of my friends’ decision to bow to anybody. Will you respect our wishes as we respect yours?
So just sit back and put your feet up. Take it easy and keep-up the career as a part-time internet comedian. Don’t worry, you can leave the “action” to the rest of us. We don’t want you. We’ll do all the work for you; just sit there and carry on criticizing good sincere people like Alan Watt while we’re having more effect in the infowar on the streets than ever before. I can happily report to the rest of you reading this that there is no “inaction” in my town. Hope to join up with you soon when you feel ready for it.
Oh sorry, I almost forgot! Let’s have a look at the “crime” Watt committed. The keystone of your entire argument. Someone phones the man up just before a commercial break as the music’s starting to play - at that point Watt knows he’s only got a few seconds to respond - then what does the caller do? He rudely accuses him of being a fraud and ripping-off another man’s work. A man who has stated Alan can use his work at any time. Effectively, he is an employee of Watt who prefers to volunteer his services rather than take a wage. But no, according to you, Alan Watt MUST BE a one-man operation and he is NOT allowed to receive any help on the cuttingthroughthematrix project whatsoever. Who holds the copyright? Does anyone even care? Oh right, YOU do. So let’s see… maybe because some people in this world are human beings and are compassionate, he wanted to draw attention to the diabolical psychopathic criminals who have assumed control over the world and enjoy killing us for sport. If his friend can help him do that quicker, then why delay when lives are at stake? Or maybe you don’t care about any of that and you want us to all go away and die? Well, I think you’ve made your position perfectly clear with your death threats against Alan and his dog, so that’s not too hard to believe.
And maybe in the two seconds Watt had to respond to the caller, he didn’t feel like he had any obligation to speak about personal, private details about his friend? Maybe he didn’t think it wasn’t any of the caller’s business? Phoning him up live on air and asking a “question” like that is akin to phoning the Alex Jones show and asking Alex about his wife.
And what if they both had an arrangement long ago that his friend didn’t WANT any attention on him because of what the “authorities” would do to him? Maybe that’s why he isn’t so happy with Alan now? Maybe he’s unhappy because of all the sudden attention you’ve brought down on Watt’s friend, when he never wanted any publicity? So hey, way to go at endangering the man’s family, if that’s the case here. So how did you know it *wasn’t* the case before you “blew the whistle” on Watt? Or is it because you didn’t stop to think because you couldn’t care less about anyone else but yourself? Our hero. What a guy!
Hate to break the news to you, but nobody cares where Watt’s original sources come from or who writes what articles on any particular day. Like someone else pointed out above, shall we now go back to that other guy and ask HIM where he got HIS sources from? And before HIM? Where shall we stop until you’re happy you’ve got everyone covered on your hit-list? It’s a childish, irrelevant argument. You sound like a whining Joan Rivers. Or wait… I get it. It’s because you’re secretly in love with Alan and you’re making a genealogy tree for him for Valentine’s Day and you want to send him roses! You’re obsessed but you need to embrace your true feelings. It must be Alan’s kilt that did it.
The “bombshell revelations” in your Alan Watt hit-piece continue: *Watt agrees with everything Alex Jones says*. Wow, thanks for that! Hold the front page, we must’ve missed that one. I’m no expert on this but I think you’re actually right about that, well done. Don’t forget to add that’s MUTUAL agreement, K? But it’s not just Alex Jones, is it? No. Watt has been a guest on numerous talk-shows over the years with people such as Dr. Stan Monteith, Texe Marrs, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell… They do seem to agree on the facts don’t they? And what if they didn’t? Would you suddenly explode in a frenzy of hate and take them to court like Richard Warman on acid? Reasonable people over the age of 13 know that knowledge is fluid and growing, not fixed. At least people like Alex Jones have the decency of character to admit they’re wrong sometimes and not perfect. Are you able to admit you were wrong?
[Let's humour him some more eh?] So let’s assume Alan *is* an evil psychopathic cult leader and zombie creator. If that’s true, then according to your twisted logic that makes Alex Jones, Stan Monteith, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Steve and Paul Joseph Watson and his other colleagues all “in on the plot”. You’d think maybe at least ONE of them would’ve noticed over the years by now and “blown the whistle” on their trusted friend for plotting behind all their backs to destroy the 9/11 Truth Movement from within all this time? Maybe it was that evil horde of brainwashed radio listeners… sorry… the Grand Wizards of Watt … who regularly turn up at their radio stations to worship at their church every Sunday that gave the game away, right?! LMAO!!
And as for Alan Watt “lying” that you threatened to kill him. AND his dog… Call me insane, but for some reason I’m rather more inclined to believe an honourable gentleman like Alan than a disingenuous weasel like you any day of the week. Don’t worry, I’m sure you can find a puppy to throw off a cliff from somewhere if Hamish is too much for you to handle.
Well, I’m truly sorry to hear about your horrendous nightmare with the notorious mafia boss “Don Wattleone”. No doubt the hurtful experience has left a permanent scar on you for the rest of your life. I’m not surprised you had to come on here and vent your frustration about your “injury” in a weird sort of healing-process rant. Just an idea… go ahead and SUE Alan Watt at his local court for damages and/or call the police on him immediately. Don’t forget to keep us informed on your blog about how that legal case is progressing, K? By the way, if Watt is as dangerous and powerful as you say he is, shouldn’t there be OTHER brainwashed victims of the cult of Watt popping-up everywhere by now? I mean, outside your circle of “friends” that is? We’ll look out for that, thanks for the advice. LMAO!
We hope these group therapy sessions work out for you here at AA (Alanwattists Anonymous). Have fun with your sycophantic so-called friends and your newly found zombie minions, and we’ll go back to actually fighting the NWO and waking people up to the *information*, and NOT the individuals. Especially an intellectually, morally bankrupt individual… sorry… “god” like you with an ego only eclipsed by Robbie Williams and Bono.
Alan Watt is still not taking calls.
It’s coming up on two months.
Why? Why isn’t he taking calls?
And why is he pretending not to be able to get calls?
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1680
“You are the perfect brainwashed Wattist. Utterly defeated and impotent to the point of redundancy. You have absolutely no purpose.
…
I’m certain that your time could be better spent crying and cutting yourself … neither I nor anyone on this forum, nor anyone on the entire internet, gives a shit that you cry yourself to sleep.”
That’s the kind of guy Andre is.
This is not surprising when you read the above article and wade through the whinging and smearing to assess the actual facts (which are different from what Andre says are the facts.)
Yes, everyone please go read that thread, and look at this person, “sunnata”, the above commenter’s world view. Apparently, instead of responding in the thread to others responses to her demented comments, she choose to come here and continue her emo sob-fest, trying to take my sarcastic comments out of context in an attempt at defamation.
She certainly takes a lesson from her guru, using this type of base manipulation that pays true homage to Alan Watt’s spoiled child manner of dealing with anyone who disagrees with him. Bravo.
Her original comments are here:
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48896#48896
She claims to believe that there is no meaning in life, and that “we are all doomed”. This is a person who has been traveling the entire internet to “defend the honor of the great one”. I believe she represents the ideal casualty of Watt’s psychological war on his listeners. Even while believing it is the end of the world, and that we should all run and hide like cowards and wait for the bad men to come and kill us, she finds meaning in trolling the internet, harassing anyone who questions Alan Watt, trying to create whatever sort of petty drama she can to try and muddy the reality of what has taken place.
And what have I said that is not a fact? There is not a single example she can point to. You may disagree with the conclusions I’ve drawn, but all of the information laid out in the above article is 100% factual. Let’s see if she even attempts to find a single example of her claim. None among the dozens of Watt supporters who’ve commented so far have done so.
I’m not sunnata, “Andre”.
Your article shows that your version of “proof” can be anything from a hunch you have to a comment someone else once made. This comments section further highlights your complete lack of rigour and your reliance on various unsafe assumptions which you take for granted. It has also shown us what a nasty person you are.
But hey, at least you’re arrogant and condescending too.
HOLY CRAP…
… Alan Watt just took his first caller in almost 2 months.
Call him… right now… ask about the stuff above.
So no examples of factual inaccuracies in the article then?
Are you talking to me, or the girl whose time you said could be better spent self-mutilating and crying herself to sleep, before subtly encouraging others to join you in bullying her?
Assuming you’re challenging me to point out some factual inaccuracies in your article, the first one appears in the title of your article, and so does the second one. Alan Watt has not lied and he has not plagiarised anyone, but you know that already. And the threats he made were not the threats you have attributed to him, but you already know that too.
Immediately after the title and before the article starts, you refer to Watt as psychopathic, which is another lie (or “factual inaccuracy” if you don’t like admitting that you’re a liar). And you say he threatens to send the cops after anyone who questions him. This is another lie/factual inaccuracy. Threatening to send the cops after people on your forum who are activley trying to rip him off is not the same as sending the cops after everyone who questions him, but you already know that. So we’re up to 4 lies and 1 example of deliberately misleading the reader, and we’re not even onto the article itself yet.
The first paragraph contains repetition of 2 previous lies and further deliberately misleading comments.
In paragraph 5 you deliberately mislead the readers by omitting some of the facts. People on your forum lied about Alan Watt, then two of them created websites designed to rip Watt off (one financially and the other with the site designed to fool Watt’s listeners) and then Watt threatened to get the authorities involved, as he is entitled to do. You have deliberately attempted to paint an entirely different (and highly misleading) picture.
In the next paragraph you use your deliberately misleading account to suggest that Watt does not want people discussing his work, which is another lie, and that he wants to control his listeners, which is another lie.
Then you say that Watt identified you by name and told you that the cops would be coming after you because you had dared to question his authenticity. This is another lie. Watt clearly talked about (members of) your forum setting up websites with the intention of taking money off him by selling mugs and T-shirts with his face on them. You are fully aware that this came after someone else had already given away thousands of copies of his books in PDF form, but you chose not to make that clear at this point, for obvious reasons. Threatening to send cops after someone for questioning their authenticity is ridiculous. That didn’t happen, and you knew that when you wrote it. You are a liar.
Much of the rest of the article is made up of smears, negative speculation and you palming the readers off with things like “I thought he might be doing x and y (and I know I can’t give any examples or prove any of these thinly veiled accusations) which troubled me.” (Hint: so it should trouble you too readers.)
But there are still several more easily identifiable lies in there amongst the speculation. For example, “he also totally avoided the subject of human spirituality.” As Watt has discussed spirituality on several occassions, your assertion is not true. Either you knew he has talked about spirituality and you lied, or you weren’t sure but you asserted it as fact anyway.
Here’s another one of your lies:
“he would simply not allow anyone to disagree with him, even if they attempted to do so politely.” There have been many people who have phoned in and disagreed with Watt about many different issues, and disagreement has not been a problem for the majority of them.
You also subtly suggest that because Watt has discussed the injustice of the monetary system that he should be able to exist without money, and therefore it is virtually a criminal act for him to ask people to donate to him in exchange for hundreds of hours of mp3s which he has made freely available. This sort of smear is typical of your article, as others have noticed and said so in this comments section, only to be dismissed by you as “a Wattist”, which is a typical propaganda technique used all the time in the media.
Then when you talk about the threats, you first suggest that they were clearly threats of physical violence, then you say that it is possible they were not, then you say that they were bluffs. You also say “If he was actually planning on sending thugs to someone’s house, he would not say it over the air.” Despite your comedy of contradictions, at no point did you admit that Watt made it clear a few days after the events you talked about that these threats were threats to get the authorities involved in response to death threats (including from members of your forum) and people ripping him off (including by members of your forum). They were not threats of physical violence. This was pointed out on your forum at the time. I know this because I am in contact with the person who pointed it out, and I know you were made aware of this BEFORE you posted your smear article.
Another “factual inaccuracy”:
“The fact is that it would be plain to anyone who came across that site that [ColossusOfDestiny] was just a young guy, who was inspired by Alan’s message, and was doing the best he could to spread the word.” In reality, Colossus Of Destiny changed his story several times and essentially said that he was ripping Watt off in order to help him. Despite claiming not to be defending his behaviour, you have defended it. You suggest that Watt should have contacted the man who actively tried to rip him off (after someone else on your forum had already ripped Watt’s European website off without asking for permission) and that Watt should have given him the benefit of the doubt, even after the guy had told several obvious lies on your forum.
It is obvious that some people are actively trying to damage Alan Watt, including at least 3 members of your forum, one of whom is you. The fact that you suggest that Watt is in the wrong for not giving all of you an infinite benefit of the doubt is ridiculous, but not surprising. That you can make this argument after members of your forum have ripped Watt off AND after his life had been threatened is disgusting.
Another “factual inaccuracy”:
“The fact that he responded so quickly was proof that he was now a regular lurker on Outlaw Forum.” The possibility that someone emailed Watt about criminal activity on your forum, so that he does not need to “lurk” on your forum is not only obvious, but that too was pointed out to you before you wrote your article, once again, just in case you couldn’t see the obvious for yourself. But you ignored the obvious anyway and asserted as fact that Watt “lurks” on your forum.
The Kealey stuff is such a nonsense that the only things worth pointing out are: 1) you have dismissed Kealey as insane, 2) you have taken Kealey’s word as gospel, 3) the “proof” of plagiarism that has been offered is made up of 2 pictures, one of which appears in a book by Manly P Hall, which, again, was pointed out to you before your article was posted.
In short, there simply isn’t any proof of plagiarism, and for you and one or two notable others to encourage people to call in to Watt’s RBN show to talk about Glen Kealey and your attention-seeking accusations, rather than highlighting the reality of the New World Order is very telling. The suspicious behaviour in this whole situation has not been coming from Alan Watt. That much should be clear to anyone who has any discernment left.
So there we are. The list of examples of lies (or “factual inaccuracies”) given here is certainly not exhaustive - I didn’t analyse the entire article - but I have provided enough for people to understand exactly what game Andre is playing here.
I expect I will be dismissed as a “Wattist”, or everything I have written will be labelled bizarre, as has happened a few times in this comments section when people have pointed out Andre’s inconsistencies, hypocrisy and/or “factual inaccuracies”. Or maybe Andre will encourage me to cut myself and cry myself to sleep, like he has done with at least one person on his forum. And all this from the same guy who labelled Alan Watt a psychopathic liar.
Maybe Andre is looking to appear on Red Ice Radio alongside Michael Tsarion, another sadistic internet bully. Watch this space.
Well Andre, it would seem that the utter humiliation you have been dealt here is the result of you attempting to insult people who are clearly more intelligent than you. It may also have something to do with your disengenuousness.
You could do worse than take on board the lessons you have been taught here.
I read somewhere that Watt is a Tavistock creation…..
“I read somewhere that [insert baseless accusation].”
LOL
This belongs in Andre’s article. It’s just another smear without even the pretence of any evidence to back it up.
This is just a desperate attempt (possibly by Andre himself) to hide from the fact that this poor excuse for an article has been shown to be a tissue of lies, and to start the ball of smear rolling again.
Who else will come out of the woodwork to give Andre (and “Steve”) a hand in this risible smear campaign?
For years now I have watched Andre and his yellow journalism at work. And he WORSHIPPED WATT too. So it’s really funny to see Andre DINE ON CROW.
This whole smearing campaign against Alan Watt is just disgusting.
And even more disgusting to keep on going on with smearing and lying and so called proves by this ‘Andre”, or shall we say Andros? Or whatever OS————————————> OX!
What have we learned from this?
We all have to become our own researchers. Deep deep down we all know what is right and what is wrong.
Double and triple check your sources.
Don’t worship people and follow them sheepishly, even if it’s your (former) favorite talk show host.
I have to say, the books that Alan Watt recommends and the articles he reads on his podcasts are factual. The topics being discussed in these books and the articles are definitely occurring in my daily life.
Finding ways to become pro-active are much more constructive than blabbing on a message board.
Going on and on about this isn’t very constructive.
Respect.
“What have we learned from this?”
One thing that has become clear is that Andre is more than willing to lie in order to smear Alan Watt.
One can only speculate as to why that is, but it certainly is the case.
Bovvered (posting as “Who is Andre?”),
I can’t believe I didn’t recognize you earlier. I was awaiting your return, as I was quite certain this was not something you were simply going to let go.
For those who do not know, this person, whom I know as “bovvered” from the outlaw forum, is the one who I refer to in the article as the extreme Watt supporter. He has posted in this comments section under multiple aliases. It is unclear why he is trying to hide his identity, though I suspect it is to make it appear as though Watt has more extreme supporters than he actually does.
This is quite an intense split from reality here my friend. I am somewhat disappointed with your post. I have to say though, you do stick to you guns, like any sort of demented religious extremist, and I suppose that someone willing to totally twist reality to such an extent in order to defend the faith is worthy of our respect.
Let me start with the end of your post. I was very surprised that you chose to tow the Prison Planet line on the Kealey situation, now claiming that the only thing Watt took from Kealey was two images.
This is total nonsense, and demonstrates the degree to which you are willing to insult all of us. Unlike the members of the Prison Planet forum, who do not have the reading skills required to go to Kealey’s website and review his material, you are more than capable. So either you are avoiding going to Kealey’s site for fear that you may loose faith in your leader, you are lying, or simply using denial as a self defense mechanism. It seems the third option is the most likely, as you are backtracking here. You had previously admitted the striking similarities between Watt and Kealey’s work, but claimed that Kealey must have ripped off Watt.
Whatever the case, the fact is that Watt took a lot more from Kealey than two images, and anyone who has a reading level beyond that of a fifth grader is capable of going to Kealey’s site and seeing this. It is part of the public record. You can’t simply deny it’s happening, and in doing so, you are making yourself look like a demented religious extremist, and at the very least, like someone who will disregard the truth if it serves his personal agenda. It is offensive.
Two people could not have independently come up with the idea that the world is controlled by underground mutant troglodytes. Neither could two people have come up with these theories about “word magic”. Watt copied not only images, but entire pages of text from Kealey. These are objective realities which stand as true whether you choose to acknowledge them or not. By publicly severing yourself from reality to such a degree, you only do Watt a disservice, as you prove my point about the extreme religious devotion that Watt creates in his followers. You would have done better to follow the insane claims of the above commenter “Randolph Spencer-Churchill”, who stated that Kealey was probably using Watt as a means to get his info out, and that I had put Kealey’s family in danger by bringing attention to his public website; though incomprehensibly ridiculous, at least this acknowledges the fact that so much of Watt’s material is taken from Kealey.
So that said, let me once more respond to your insane rantings.
You first claim that it is a lie to call Watt a psychopath. The facts however show that he demonstrates classically psychopathic behavior. These traits can be researched in any of the major scientific works on the subject. The most prominent psychopathic behaviors demonstrated by Watt are his willingness to lie in order to fit whatever agenda he is pushing, as he did claiming that I was leading a mob plotting to kill him and his dog, and the obsession he has with accusing others of doing the exact things of which he himself is guilty, as we see with his having stolen the major ideas of another person and passed them off as his own, and then claiming that other people, such as David Icke, were doing this to him.
You then say that he threatened to send the cops after the members of Outlaw forum who planned to “rip him off”. Though he did make such threats against colossusofdestiny, when I made the statement that he was threatening to “send the cops after anyone who questions him”, I was, as is stated clearly in the article, referring to a different set of threats, those made when he said my name on air, and claimed that I was leading a mob that was plotting to have him killed. These threats were made days after the subject of Kealey was brought up on the forum, and were clearly a response to this. I included the transcript, so I see no way that you could have been honestly confused about this. The fact that you need to distort reality in this way in order to make your point does not make you appear any more credible.
Next you bring up the fan websites, and follow Watt’s bizarre assertions that these were of malicious intent. You do not address the insanity of going on the air and threatening people publicly without trying to contact them privately first. You also say these people “lied” about Watt before making these websites, a new claim that you do not make any attempt to substantiate, but I will take it that this is simply fluff, true to the gutless form of your entire comment.
Watt clearly does not want people discussing his work outside of an extremely controlled and censored environment, such as that of the Prison Planet forum, as is evidenced by the fact that he began the attacks on my forum when we were all supporting him.
Apparently running out of content, you then reword your totally erroneous claim that in naming me on air, Watt’s threats had something to do with these people who are supposedly distributing his pdf files. This makes absolutely no sense to me, but seems consistent with your general manner here. Please go back and listen to the show where he says my name, or read the transcript included in my article. This round of threats had nothing to do with Watt’s copyright, but were based around his claim that I was leading a mob that was plotting to kill him and his dog, which he claims happened two days after we began discussing Kealey on the Outlaw Forum, and I suggested that people call in and ask Watt about Kealey. It is surreal to me that you are incapable of making such a distinction, given that Watt was so explicit about these supposed death threats.
Anyone who has ever heard a caller try to disagree with Watt knows how the man responds to this. This is another place where you insult us all by attempting to rewrite reality.
I do not suggest, subtly or otherwise, that Watt should exist without money. I do suggest that it does not take all day to cook food, nor does it take 4 hours to upload an mp3 file as Watt has claimed on dozens of occasions, and that there is no reason that Watt can’t get a job like the rest of us. Also, accepting donations is quite different than trying to inflict intense guilt on those who do not donate, which it would be totally impossible to argue that Watt does not do.
You again make the claim, that you repeatedly made on the forum, that Watt’s original threats were of a legal nature. I do not think anyone can honestly claim that when someone says “I have pictures of your house and I have friends all over and I will be sending people to make you regret this”, they are threatening legal action. It is again deeply insulting that you believe we are all so stupid as to buy such a thing.
The rest of your comment is meaningless fluff, presented in a childish manner.
I feel very sorry for you, bovvered. I understand how difficult this must be. What you need to ask yourself is whether the truth matters, or if having a leader to follow blindly is more important. I still hope that you will come around to the truth, though the further you sink into denial, separating yourself from reality to a greater and greater extent, the more difficult it will be to ever return.
Still, I hope you find peace, friend.
Andre was 100% certain I was “sunnatta” a few posts up. Now he’s 100% certain I’m “bovvered” - the guy I mentioned a few posts up who pointed out a few things before Andre’s article was posted, which Andre went on to ignore in his article, asserting as fact things which he knew not to be true.
Maybe in Andre’s mind I am also everybody else in this comments section who has criticised Andre in any way, let alone pointed out his “factual inaccuracies”, or maybe even everyone on the internet who disagrees with him.
It was entirely predictable that I would be dismissed as a “Wattist”, or “bizarre” - “insane rantings” were actually the words used, but you get the idea - and Andre hasn’t let us down, once again.
Andre’s propensity towards projection should be clear, even to the most devoted “Andreist” (too much?). Here we have a guy who encourages a girl on his own forum (who happens to disagree with him about something) to cut herself and to cry herself to sleep. And this guy accuses Watt of demonstrating “psychopathic behaviour” . The “proof” being offered is the “willingness to lie in order to fit whatever agenda he is pushing … and the obsession he has with accusing others of doing the exact things of which he himself is guilty.” This is of course exactly what Andre has been doing for the last few weeks, when he’s not encouraging people to cut themselves and cry themselves to sleep that is. It is also noticeable that he attempts to nullify what we have learned about his viciuos streak by ending the largely insulting post above with “I hope you find peace friend”.
Similarly, Andre actually accused Watt of threatening to send the cops after him BECAUSE Andre had questioned his authenticity, which is nonsense of course, and is an example of Andre’s lies (or “factual inaccuracies”) I pointed out in my earlier post. It is apparent however, that it was only when Andre’s authenticity was questioned that he felt the need to engage in this smear campaign against Watt, and to encourage others to do the same. This is another example of Andre’s projection.
Presumably, Andre genuinely believes that readers will actually fail to identify the manipulative and dishonest techniques used not only in the article itself, but in this comments section as well. For example, the logic being used is ridiculous. Here are some examples of “Andre logic”:
- This guy has pointed out how cruel I have been to a girl on my forum, therefore he must be that girl.
- x, y and z have defended Alan Watt, therefore they must all be “Wattists”/bizarre/insane.
- A guy I don’t like has accused (members of) my forum of doing things (which they have done), therefore he is a psychopath.
- Watt used the same pictures/words as Kealey, therefore Watt can only have plagiarized Kealey (or not, depending on the point Andre is making at the time.)
- Someone copyrighted something first, therefore they must have written it first.
- It is impossible for two people to come up with the same idea independently (not that Watt actually argues that “the world is controlled by underground mutant troglodytes”.)
Andre also claims that Watt’s attacks on the Outlaw forum came when they were all supporting him. This is after “Neo” made the website designed to make it look like an official Watt site (which he only corrected later, and inadvertently admitted as much on Andre’s forum) and after “ColossusOfDestiny” created a website specifically to make money off of Watt’s profile, to help him of course, (and his lies about his website can also be found on Andre’s forum, as Andre himself knows but is pretending not to know , for obvious reasons). And all this was also after several trolls were allowed (by Andre) to repeatedly post lies and slanderous comments about Watt, including accusations of paedophilia and beastiality. After several months of “casual” moderation, Andre suddenly felt the need recently to delete several threads from his forum which contained these slanderous comments, again, for obvious reasons. Despite all of this, Andre’s claim is that “we were all supporting him”.
I agree with the insane Wattist a few posts up - “Finding ways to become pro-active is much more constructive than blabbing on a message board.” I have spent time pointing out the lies told by Andre in his article and the tactics he uses to ridicule/bully those who disagree with him, and now it’s over and done with. It was no surprise that Andre defended himself by using these tactics on me and pretending not to understand that he has been caught lying, many times.
In case Andre is too busy wondering why forums other than his own forum will not unquestioningly accommodate his smear campaign, I’ll write his response for him:
“You are insane. I feel sorry for you. You are a worthless “Wattist”. Your life is meaningless. May there be shit on your soul.
I wish you well my friend.”
So Andre, what’s the big deal?
You are threaned ( but what is a threat anyway on a show) but still alive.
Your forummembers have found out about Alan’s ‘plagiarisme’, something you seem to be obsessed with but what’s the big deal? Everybody copies everybody and it doesnt seem for you the message is of interest but only the messenger. But again, what’s the big deal.
You made an article here and on your forum it goes on and on and on and on and on, so Andre what is YOUR bifg deal?
What is YOUR benefit out of this.
You can’t stop, you are just obsessed. That’s all.
So, why don’t you leave the ’subject’ alone and go on with your life?
“Shit on my soul”, eh? Never heard that one.
Once you began into your condescending rant, your style was unmistakable, bovvered. Plus I have your ip address.
You are running around in circles now. I don’t have any response to your above comments, they being totally without content, nothing more than shoddy attempts at character assassination and vilification. Anyone who wants to see the context of the sarcastic comment I made to the crybaby emo on my forum can go see it. I have to say though, the fact that you feel the need to employ such manipulative techniques says volumes about your own character.
Why keep chanting that I told a girl to cry herself to sleep in response to her claim that there was no meaning in the universe and we are all doomed? How does this relate to Alan Watt? Why do you rely on half-assed attempts at emotional manipulation to sway readers if you have an actual argument worth presenting in Watt’s defense?
I had expected better from you. Or maybe I hadn’t.
Salanga Sur,
I am not understanding you. By “why don’t you leave the ’subject’ alone and go on with your life”, you mean I should stop responding to comments left on this article? Or what exactly?
*Someone* wrote: “After several months of “casual” moderation, Andre suddenly felt the need recently to delete several threads from his forum which contained these slanderous comments, again, for obvious reasons.”
Is this true Andre?
I think I see a middle ground here where those interested in this subject could meet. Probably none of us is completely right, nor is anyone totally wrong. But a thumbs up to the one who manages to stay humble and polite in discussing things - 100% of the time!
The Sufi mystic Rumi once wrote:
“Out beyond ideas of right-doing
and wrong-doing
there is a field.
I’ll meet you there.”
Perhaps not something that interests a NWO-researcher but still a nice poem.
“Who is your Daddy?”,
Yes, this is a point bovvered is intensely obsessed with, claiming that it is some type of conspiracy. Let me explain.
There was a poster on my forum named “Vivian Vivaldi”. He was a troll. He posted a whole lot, spewing all sorts of garbage, and I banned him. The posts were still hanging around for a long time, no doubt looking rather bad to folks just finding the forum.
At the beginning of the year, I had made a new year’s resolution to clean up the place. I went back and deleted a few (around ten) of the Vivaldi spam threads. A couple of these contained bizarre statements about Alan Watt made by Vivaldi, and yes, with Watt claiming he was sending the cops after me, it did seem better that these comments, made by someone I do not even know, not be present on my forum. This seems only logical. I am confused as to what exactly bovvered is implying when he makes these vague hints about this being a part of some conspiracy on my part, but I suspect it is simply an extension of his desperate attempts to skew the reality of what has happened with Alan Watt by attacking my personal character with bizarre, cryptic statements that remain unexplained.
I hope that clears things up.
Thanks Andre. Yes that helped. And I do believe also that I’ve read/heard somewhere that you just don’t ban people right and left either, correct?
I look forward to hearing if anyone phoning in confronts Alan on the show. Not that I imagine it will lead to much, but just to hear his reaction - hopefully not interrupted by a commercial break either.
Cheers people, stay positive and open…!
Yes, I have a history of being much too lenient on bans. With Vivaldi, I let him get to the point where he was openly claiming to be a disinfo agent, and sending PMs to people offering them jobs in counterintelligence. He later contacted me and told me that his attacks on Watt were to make him seem more credible.
I listened to one of alans rbn shows and he mentioned he had a booster vaccination etc for travelling overseas etc and he mentioned his bones in his hands siezed up etc..for someone like Alan who says he was awake when he was a kid and mentioned vaccines are dangerous.why get the vaccination….this tells me he lies and only woke up and became aware not long ago about the agenda..I was weary of him after that..I wish I could remember which one of his rbn shows it was on..anyway thought that might be of intrest.
@Bodey
He never said he was awake when he was a kid. He was aware of something being wrong as a kid.
There is a huge difference between being aware and awake. So it is just totaly not of interest, your comment.
@ss
he does say he was awake ..going into adult libraries and reading the books..keeps saying it was a form of autism he had..he says jokingly…
to be honest I dont believed he read any books when he was young etc..cos of the careers he chose and than becomming a so called truth teller..
I know for a fact kids are not allowed in adult uk libraries ok..period.
he had that vaccination few years back as he mentioned in his show one time….
so he hasnt been awake as long as he claims..cos if he knew this stuff he would not have got the vaccination..like he keeps saying they use the needle to dumb us down etc..he slipped up with that comment concerning getting a vaccination jab and im afraid these cons always do eventually…
Also on iexpect that vaccinatio slip up to be deleted by alan watt from his radio archives.
This blog reads like paranoia craziness.
Perhaps, the lot of you should see psychaitrists.
A guy from Delaware called into Alan’s 2/25/2009 show last night and asked if Alan still believed in aliens.
Instead of Alan denying it, he hung up on the caller.
Then for about 30 seconds, Alan was totally flustered.
What’s up with that?
Did Allen pull a Bill Cooper in the past and push the alien nonsense?
Did anyone else catch this?
Alan Watt is a fake..im surprised you guys didnt catch on earlier….Guard you mind people…You got get your own research….Always do a background check on these so called truth tellers..It seems that Bill Cooper was honest..It is possible that he really was seeing stuff comming down the line like 911 etc due to his work in the navy intelliegence etc..he was trained and knew how to read between the lines….if you get that form of training you will see things comming easily..but whos gonna join the intelligence services..they pay well mind you..lol..
Bill Cooper is a fake for us as a $3 bill.
I’m REALLY growing tired hearing “truthers” push the mantra, “Bill Cooper was the only real truther left” nonsense.
Consider this:
Bill Cooper was big-time ex-Naval Intelligence. Just about every fake truther out there is ex-military or ex-Jesuit or ex-CIA, etc. to give them street cred on being on the inside.
Bill Cooper claimed the moon rotates. Oh really? Then why do we never see the other side of the moon? In fact, no matter where you are in the world, we always see the precisely same image of the moon… big white space at the 4 o’clock position — whether you’re in China or Chicago. But that’s a small point when you consider this:
Bill Cooper was connected to Timothy McVeigh (the alleged bomber involved in the OKC incident in 1995). Cooper actually claimed that he was approached by McVeigh and that him and ‘his followers’ came to his house and told him they supported his work.
But here’s the smoking gun of all smoking guns on Cooper…
… Shortly after the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building, Rush Limbaugh read a White House memo on the air during his broadcast which named William Cooper, “…the most dangerous radio host in America”. This may have been related to claims that Timothy McVeigh regularly listened to Cooper’s radio program. Cooper considered President Bill Clinton’s pronouncement the greatest compliment that he had ever received.
Why would President Clinton give Cooper street cred’ if he was real?
That’s like Barrack Obama claiming me… Markus Allen is the most dangerous truther in America. It’s never going to happen unless I was a fake and they wanted to zing me to the top.
It’s staged, folks. Bill Cooper is as real as Alan Watt. They both give us nuggets of truth, we latch on to them like heros, then they spin us into la la land…
… And Bill Cooper tried to spin us into la la land mentioning UFOs… remember that?
“In later years, Cooper recanted his UFO-oriented beliefs, asserting that they were in fact part of the Illuminati plot to subjugate the United States.”
Give me a break.
Yes, Bill Cooper calls Alex Jones a fake. And he’s right… but so do other truthers. That doesn’t make Bill Cooper real.
Take a listen to Bill Cooper’s 9/11 broadcast. I listed to it and couldn’t believe this was the same guy who “predicted 9/11″… his 9/11 broadcast makes Alex Jones look like a Jesuit choir boy… total scare mongering:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-239021567371363732&hl=en
“You can expect a nationwide declaration of Martial Law” says Cooper about 4 minutes into the audio. Oh really… it didn’t happen. We’ve been fear mongered about Martial Law since my daddy was born. It never happens, yet Bill Cooper pushes this scare mongering.
“This is a major terrorist attack” he says 6 minutes in. No it wasn’t, and he knew it… he’s ex-Naval Intelligence and he had to know it was an inside job.
If 9/11 was a must be, why didn’t Bill Cooper remind us that he predicted 9/11 months before hand and it was a false flag attack. Instead, he repeats what the corporate media scared us with.
“I expect Martial Law any minute” he repeats again more than 7 minutes in. More scare mongering. Martial Law was never declared from what I understand.
Sprinkled throughout the broadcast Cooper begs us to give blood and participate in the elite’s Masonic ritual nonsense.
“I don’t want to hear any rumors” — yet Cooper repeats what the lying corporate mainstream media says? What a joke.
I could go on and on.
Just listen to these 9/11 audios. He scares us for hours.
If Bill Cooper was real and Bill Cooper really predicted 9/11 months before hand, why wouldn’t he calm us down? Instead, he parrots what the corporate media scares us with.
Give me a break.
Markus, what’s all this stuff about the Jesuits? You actually believe they are the ones who sit at the top of the pyramid…?
Marcus A.
I guess a lot of us are still listening to his show….
I wondered why he did not confront that caller either? But maybe for the sake of integrity, maybe it was better that he didn’t. I understand Watt’s response as “flustered” because of the question, not because he was exposed or anything like that. Sure maybe deep down Watt is in touch with some aliens, but come on.
And I am not attacking you Marcus A. Just responding. And I must state this as clearly as possible to other commenteers—I am not in defense of Watt, but in defense of the differing voices on this history. I listen to several different programs, but follow up with the books on some of their claims and some of my own intuition and other personal questions.
Some of the other recent comments by Booey an Bo Selecta cannot be taken seriously, at all, I must add. My response to them is of course we have to do our own research! I do my own research. Sometimes I follow these people online because honestly, like most of us on the internet, follow some source or another. It just that simple. Everyone has a source. Watt has his sources. Who doesn’t? The university student has their sources. The professors have theirs and so on. So what’s original? Someone is always looking for someone else take on whatever the subject may be. Could be your school teacher, who knows. Fuck!
I hear everybody complaining about Watt that he is gloom and doom and after listening to his shows they feel depressed. Oh give me a break with that. Why isn’t anybody complaining about Vyzygoth, of Beyondthegrassyknoll, who, on a number of occasions, has stated; “The New World Order is coming down and that’s just the way it is”, and, “There’s nothing your gonna do about it”! Yeah! What are you gonna do about it!?! Start a revolution? Do you really think that’s gonna happen? And then what?
So where is this constructive criticism from all these “individuals” who state over and over that we need to do our own research. Yeah no shit sherlock! The Outlaw Forum in general has some people who are blaming the Jesuits, or, the Jews, or, the Illuminati, or whoever. What I am trying to say is that, nobody knows what is going down. We just know that something shady has been going down for a long time and if ANYBODY says they know the truth to the matter, then they are full of shit. So, obviously people cannot come to an agreement of who is responsible. Right? Right. “Individuals” are still arguing whether Watt is fake, a dis-info agent, stole some guys work, or whatever the case, is proof, that as people, we will always struggle and fight amongst ourselves over the rotting crumbs picked from under the boot of a well organized, agenda setting, professional and motivated power elite.
Yes.
There’s no doubt the Jesuits are amongst the top of the pyramid.
The question is, who is above them?
Two people who do podcasts with me just released this audio minutes ago about it… fast forward about 15 minutes to hear it:
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-27599/TS-197558.mp3
And here’s my up-to-date website about the most powerful people in the world (the Jesuits):
http://www.truthin7minutes.com/jesuit-companion-notes.php
I must say one thing about Bill Cooper he apologised and accepted he was wrong about UFOs…that says quiet abit about someones character…
no truthseeker nowdays has ever apologised if they were wrong etc..Secondly he got 911 correct well before anyone and he predicted troops going into former Yugoslavia…
Also if you recall guys he even got his family out of the country..and finally he was killed cos he could predict pretty well what was comming etc Timothy Mcgveigh link to Bill Cooper was organised to make Bill look bad in the publics eye..
Bill Cooper was killed cos he was a threat unlike Alex,Alan and all the other ego dumb fucks who will never be silenced cos they are fakes of the truth movement…and this truth movement is a load of crap anyway…
I believe when we are willing make sacrafices for others and in our lives than we can kick nwo ass until then were gonna be gangbanged by the nwo.
Truth about Bill is right there cos the result was he was killed if he was a fake he would still be around.
throughout history people who are threats are terminated cos they seem to have something in common truth and making people think…
btw im not a cooper follower , I have never followed anyone…Im glad i never had a vaccination in my life ..thanks mum:)
I just look at the facts…we got to look at all angles people..
take care everyone..
Hey BO SELECTA… you didn’t comment about the “most powerful person in the world (President Clinton)” giving street cred to Cooper.
And by the way, I’ve admitted on audio about being wrong about lots of stuff.
The difference is I’m not working for the military/perps. I’m a dad with 2 children — no allegiance to anyone.
hello marcus…regarding bill clinton…hes just one of a long line of puppets etc secondly bill cooper to even be mentioned by the powers could be understood that bill was becomming a problem..
and bill from what i understand regarding the prediction of 911 is that unlike Alex and the rest ,,bill didnt need to stroke his ego and mention to his listeners..u see i predictded 911,,,
i do remember bill was very upset with the navy, how he was duped into believing in ufos with documents comming to his desk while working at navy intelligence..
one things for sure he became a problen and was terminated…did you know he predicted the first world trade centre bombing too…
if bill was still working for the intelligence sevices and misleading the public..why terminate him?? was it that he was giving far too much truth??
I can see why he was dangerous cos he really was getting it right about future events that would take place,,,espcially the troops going into former yugoslavia and many others
intresting video about bill cooper
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781
take care people
I’m reading the latest about Alan Watt here:
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204&start=1780
I’d post and reply at the forum (but I’m banned)…
… Folks, Site 41 in Estaire is on a NORAD base!
This was confirmed to me by a trusted subscriber at my site… he said above ground addresses in Estaire go from Site 30 to Site 39. He knows this because his family has a cottage nearby.
Whether Alan Watt lives in a NORAD facility or right next to it is VERY interesting to me.
And when I talked to Jackie Petru about this, she said he voluntarily moved to that neck of the woods over a 6-month period.
And I ask this question again… why is it we’ve NEVER once heard his dog bark?
Its about time he got found out . I have always thought he was crooked and he always lays into so many other researchers and creates all kinds of division with no real info to support it, like he was just doing it for attention, just so he gets his die hard fan base…
I hope this wakes a few people up… well done for putting this page up…. I guess we should be checking this Kealey guy out.
Tod
Markus,
This is certainly not the place for that type of speculation.
What kind of speculation, Andre?
One of my subscribers drove by Alan’s address and found it to be at NORAD base. Is this speculation?
Try a Google Map’s search and see what you find. It might surprise you.
Or, I’m asking why after years and years of radio shows (as a host and guest) we’ve never once heard his dog bark…
… When I do radio shows my 2 year old breaks into my office a lot and you hear him all of the time. I can’t keep him quiet no matter what I do.
Is that the speculation you’re referring to, Andre?
I’d post on your forum, but I can’t because I’m banned. Why? You’ve never told me.
Are you going to ban me here too, Andre?
Are you part of this professional wresting script, Andre?
Was this a planned take down of Alan Watt, Andre? Or is that speculation?
Tell me… what is not speculation — something posted by the corporate media? Or perhaps scare mongering by Alex Jones on his website? Of course they’d never lie, right?
[...] and Andre discussed a broad range of issues, from the recent threats being launched against me by Alan Watt and Craig Oxley, to the situation in Gaza, the all encompassing propaganda grid, the history of [...]
Markus,
You were banned for saying you wanted to plan assassinations of Jesuit leaders. Please take the drama elsewhere.
Andre… can you point me to that thread where I said I wanted to plan assassinations of Jesuit leaders?
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12848#12848
I am asking you kindly to stop using this comments section to go on about your personal issues. You are a grown adult. There is absolutely no reason to behave in this manner.
what bunk!! Of course, anyone not knowing much,, will tend to believe these articles about Watt. I know both Kealey and Watt - Kealey knows where he got his material “from a friend who has access to a masonic library”. Alan lives a minimalistic lifestyle - he is brilliant and has a phenomenal memory so he is able to put material together from hundreds of sources. Seems to me to post such a lengthy read about him is done to discredit whatever he puts out. David Icke can and has completed his very lengthy books in under 6 months. Go figure out how.
Estaire has a very small population and i live 1/2 hr away…had a very lengthy lunch with Alan and his vibes are CLEAN and CLEAR.
The articles on Watt are incorrect; simply made as I see it, by a mind-set that has no sense of responsibility or is self-serving or an Agent Smith mentality. Uga …yes, everyone ought to be put thru a “true” or “false” test but in Alan’s case, one would have to do that to thousands of books - he makes nothing up and seldom offers his opinion.
Andre, did you go to a Jesuit school or university?
he does not have a great memory cos he has made many slip ups etc on other shows like the one he was on with charollte littlefield brown..go check it out…he has made numerous mistakes and all i can say he is making it up as he goes along…reading from books..he has said word for word statements from bill cooper… and reading articles etc..just parrotting it off just like the mainstream media..maybe he has reuters franchise deal..lol…..anyway at the end of day he is weak mentally ..he knows nothing special which anyone can find out and use thier brain…if you people are saying you have been helped by alan watt..thats say alot about you… I remember once when he threatened to go off air and said at the moment this is the only game in town!!!
Remeber one thing part of the Agenda is to get rid of all religons cos the elite want to bring the one new religon where man can obtain godhood and the world will be completel;y seculiar..Elite wants to be worshipped as Gods.and they dont want christianity,Islam, Judaism to get in the way. so any truth teller like alan watt bashing religon rings alarm bells.
Alan Watt just makes me laugh…and maybe hamish is his imaginery friend.
Note:
Markus Allen has begun a harassment campaign, attacking this article with insane ramblings. All of his comments will be blocked/deleted. As it is not my regular practice to delete anything at all, I just wanted to let people know.
This person, also going by the name “truthsleuth” has a long history of conducting belligerent internet harassment campaigns, often suggesting violence as a means to an end, and going on about the Jesuits. He has a severe personality disorder. This can easily be seen if you Google his name.
Thank you for your patience.
“Markus Allen has begun a harassment campaign,”
LOL
You know you’ve made it when pathetic attention-seekers with no morals start a clumsy internet “harassment campaign”.
Now we just need Markus “better than Bill Cooper” Allen to discuss dozens of facts he first heard from Andre and then start accusing Andre of plagiarism, and the hypocrisy will have gone full circle.
“attacking this article with insane ramblings.”
insane = in disagreement with Andre, or pointing out Andre’s lies and hypocrisy (see entire Comments section.)
Bovvered,
Good point.
As a Alan Watt listener for three years (back in the day of Jackie Patru) I’ve heard Alan Watt say he wrote his books. Alan says he writes in a different style than regular authors. A style that helps the reader’s comprehension. Finding out that Alan didn’t write his books is major. He also claims his ideas came to him at age four or five. At six he was reading grown up books in libraries.
I never believed like others that he traveled the world as a musician AND had time to become a Doctor.
Doctor of Nutripathy or something. I listened to Alan Watt for data. He claimed his RBN presentation would be his free flowing unscripted talks and it was for a few months then slowly but surely he started to read articles from other websites, what happened to that free flowing mind of his? If I wanted someone reading words of someone else I’d watch Dan Rather read a teleprompter.
I had stopped listening to Alan Watt or rather Alan Watt reading websites I could read myself without the constant send me donations so I can live. Hey, I need to live too Alan, send me money and I’ll read the website of others to you.
I then found out about the real source, Glen Kealey.
Thanks Andre.
I’m listen to the Oct 22, 2008 audio now and it is talking about Alan Watt is perhaps married. I listened to a Jackie Patru audio early on where Jackie mentioned something about Alan’s wife and Alan responding in the affirmative. As the Oct 22, 2008 audio states it was never mentioned again and I assumed he was divorced since the audio I heard was a an old audio. I may see if I saved it but I have so many saved audio of Jackie and Alan some I downloaded on Jackie Patru’s archives some from Alan Watt archives.
This Oct 22, 2008 audio of 7minutesoftruth on talkshoe has insightful data.
I’m gonna go through the archives of 7minutesoftruth.
Hi
I find this whole story fascinating. Especially since I designed Glen’s originaL website. I ran across Glen’s writing back around 01 or 02 in Yahoo groups. I really liked his creative writing and set him up with a web host, domain name and blogger account. I designed some graphics and a few custom pages while he posted to blogger. I ran the site for several years and then some other guy started helping him with the site.
But tonight, I was researching “mass mind control” on google and ran across the Watt site. I recognized Kealey’s ideas emediately — so I googled “glen kealey” alan watt — and ran across all the discussions about the watt plagerism.
I’m sure all this drama tickles Glen.
Alan Watt is a scam..do not donate any money to him…he mixes facts and fiction etc…he should get a job and make money like the rest of us…also doing a 1 hour radio show everyday allows you to get a job isnt it? only 5 hrs of radio all week..
Alan Watt is lazy dumb pussy who needs a slap.
I just hate these scammers.they need to be hanged first.
One person said she had never heard Hamish bark once. I DID hear the dog bark when I was slitenign to one of his audio files a good while ago and I have great memory.
To me, this forum will only lead to The Practicing of ATTACKING & BELITTLING & “PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!.” Look in your own closet with great attention.
And this is my first & last visit.
Reghards to all, Janet
One person said she had never heard Hamish bark once. I DID hear the dog bark when I was LISTENING TO one of his audio files a good while ago and I have great memory.
To me, this forum will only lead to The Practicing of ATTACKING & BELITTLING & “PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!.” Look in your own closet with great attention.
And this is my first & last visit.
Reghards to all, Janet
he certainly sounds like he’s completely capable of conveying the information to his listeners.
unlike this kealy person who i couldn’t spend five seconds listening to.
alan watt says he doesn’t want to be linked to those who link themselves to alien tangents.. are we sure he’s not alien as well??
We are dealing with TWO Very IN.telligent Men: ALAN Watt and GLEN Kealey. They were definitely in contact with one another, the material Alan has we have been told has been copied from Kealey but I see it as very plausible that they worked this co-INCIDENCE out, proposed ideas to one another, debated, made plans with Certain Gains in mind and the plans manifested: IF you really want to get everybody’s attention and get people emotionally involved CREATE A SCANDAL LIKE THE ALAN WATT - GLEN KEALEY SCENARIO and you stand a darn good chance of ACHIEVING SOME GREAT RESULTS. They both seem to be on OUR side, they reveal Dirty Little Secrets going on behind our backs, IT IS NECESSARY FOR A MASS OF PEOPLE TO BECOME AWARE & INVOLVED in OUR OWN FUTURE SURVIVAL and Alan / Glen have found one way of Hooking Us SO NOW IS THE TIME TO FORGET THE Alan versus Glen and us taking sides AND INSTEAD GET ON TO JOINING FORCES TO FIGHT THE OPPRESSION COMING DOWN THE PIKE!! Put up the pages necessary for us to meet at one particular place online where we can work out plans and start marching toward the enemy in a WELL THOUGHT OUT, WELL-ORGANIZED, VERY NOISY BUT PEACEFUL FASHION and let’s make SOMETHING GOOD HAPPEN for us and FOR OUR FUTURE PROGENY, Time Is Running Out !!!
Glen has talked openly to one of Alan’s once loyal callers (Marc/Markus?– sorry man) at length about a variety of his ideas, including Alan Watt. The audio has been made available (try google “Glen Kealey audio” ) Besides all the crap, Kealey was on this journey way back, he was actually bullhorning politicians up here in Canada back before Alex Jones even ‘woke up’. Not that I ‘agree’ with or ‘overstand’ his work, it is fascinating. GK’s work is almost (oc)cultic in itself, and useful (only) to (his) initiates.
All of this forum stuff really is a joke, and incestuous ‘vicious circle’. I would simply recommend that people get themselves a project of their own, and hopefully the information you get from Watt, Kealey, etc. will actually go somewhere.
Otherwise this shit will just drive you insane and ruin your life utterly, alienate you from every one you know, every public space you go. If you are waiting for some reward for your knowledge, you will have to “wake up” all over again someday. And again, ad infinitum. If you even have the slightest bit of ignorance left, then stay as far away from this shit as you can, maybe it’s not too late…
Jesus said, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.”
(John 14:6)
Alan is a boring and a depressive sod. Nobody can refute that and none of you would invite him to a social event.
And why he speaks like that is because he doesn’t like humans. Why do I say that?
Here I go: He is a guy that never learned to love himself as a human with all our flaws, wile growing up. So the only way to get love was to “become” something “more” than human. What he “became” was a top scholar with information what very few hade. He didnt get much love from that just people who wanted to pick his brain and the few people who did love him as human he refuted because he couldnt see what they loved. Human emotions became something beneath him, he transcended.
So one way he manifest that he transcended is by not mixing in human emotions in his voice. He is a transhumanist in his core.
So how can a man who dont understand the human and love the human, save the human?
I feel sorry for him and he always make me sad when I listening to him. He sounds so empty.
Finaly, focus on the words that cross a pair of lipps, not the lipps themself.
It all doesn’t matter anyway. When someone makes a good point it is hardly ever acknowledged, they pass it by like shit on shoes.
Doesn’t anyone else see that?
for example; Janet Murray and Dammrud (recent post) make reasonable suggestions and statements. Yet someone like the ’swede’ makes a statement as it was a fact. Please give us some evidence of your statement. Is this your theory? Please add more shit to the pile. Please add more confusion to the subject.
And you can see the evidence throughout this page.
The thing is this—>
1. People are focusing too much on this subject, meanwhile the agenda continues.
2. This creates division and confusion.
3. The outlaw forum has turned into an Alan Watt smear campaign where the Watt section is on page 98. The section on the economics (underneath Watt), is only at page 22.
4. Take what you can from the Watt’s Kealey’s etc, because when they are gone, the intelligent differing views will also be gone. But that’s ok, I guess Amy Goodman and Chomsky (the political dissident) is your alternative right?
5. This has become like a youtube comments section, or rather a toilet; a bunch of people droppin their shitty thoughts in the outlaw comments section, sayin it just to say it, just because they can.
What if Kealey and Watt created this drama as a dialectic? Doesn’t seem suspicious that Kealey (or somebody?) dropped his original site at the time when Watt was called out. It was there and then it was gone. I only visited Kealey’s site after reading about here, then poof! gone! just like that.
The whole thing reeks of shit.
Continue to be divided and get ready for the new international order because that’s what we all deserve. Please drop me an intellectual witty note on how brainwashed I am. Good night and good luck!
Andre,
Having visited your Myspace, I was bedazzled with so many Sun/Pyramid embeds. The glare was so obvious I had to reach for my sunglasses too. By the way have you got a light…my fags gone out!
This game of Conology (an Alan Watt term, I believe) gets more interesting by the day. If it’s an “ology” it must be a science.
this is all a waiste of time arguing with each other.i personally have gotten alot out of alans work(espacially his blurbs)is alan perfect or all knowing, of course not,who the hell is.the gives info tells you to investigate and be your own hero(i agree)he may be a boring personality,so what,name me a god damn human being who doesn’t have a list of flaws a mile long?surely not me.is he a dis info guy, i don’t think so , i could be wrong(have been a million times before)i’m not a religious person but i like the saying let he with out sin cast the first stone.the one thing that bothers me is that he always ask for money but yet talks about how evil money is(nothing personnel alan, things are tough all over, get a job like the rest of us)i believe people are innocent til proven guilty.Give the man a fair trail before you CONvict him.I’m a fair jurist.I’ve seen no overwhelming evidence alan has commited any god awful crime.I’m not a blind follower of anyone.If evidence comes to light that alan is a fraud i will act accordiantly and stop listening to him.Remember people were all on the same team,quit dividing yourselfs over petty crap.everyone has borrowed someone else’s work at some time or another or lied about this or that(none of us are perfect) we all must try to ban together or we will be picked one at a time. i wish everyone well
How come nobody here has discussed the use of Ultimatums as weapons???
Any fuck with half a brain who has been observing this so called “Truth Movement” pre 2007 can see how all of the dialectically opposed Truther Groups have had their “leaders” (re: Front Bitches) exposed. Deliberately. On Purpose. WIth the obvious synthesis of delineating the Intelligent from the Educable, and literally making people either admit that once again they’ve been fooled, or concretising their compartmentalisation.
I’m sure many of you have seen the solidified stupidity rampant amongst the Watt Legions. You know why? Of course you fucking do. People hate to admit they’re wrong, that they’ve been fooled, especially by tricks and techniques they have apparently come to some over(under)standing of.
Learn some shit from the Bible peeps. The war between the Individual and the Collective is fucking eternal. You cannot wake up a corpse either.
Long story made slightly shorter.. If you accept that 9/11 was an inside job pulled off in front of the entire TV watching populace, and yet something so fucking obvious goes unpunished for so long (just like JFK) doesn’t it seem weird that they haven’t blasted on Watt and Jarhead Jones and the rest of the “Patriots”? Didn’t they do that to Cooper? What happened after his obvious assassination (at least if what the Media says is true[!?!])
Basically that hasn’t happened because maggots like Watt are basically nothing but ammo feeders for Psychologiocal Weapons of Warfare: young, optimistic but unfortunately naive peoples who fail to recognise that morality in society is, has and always will be at a low point, nearly low as intellect.
Sorry if I went rantastica; just pissing me off that people are not acknowledging the self evident. And not recognising double think when they see it.
Well, i’ve read through it all. And, as outsider, i must say that it has been a pretty good argument. Andre did the due diligence, but others put in some significant comments, as well.
Just a couple of questions for anyone who’s cares:
–Did Keighley’s website really disappear at some point?
–Has anyone actually confirmed the whereabouts of Site 41?
–How is Allan Watt is managing to prepare transcripts in all those foreign languages–and why?
Thanks.
I don’t wanna be a smart ass; read my comment. Remember, this whole “InfoWar” is given legitimacy by shit like this; people looking up this “info” and “discovering” the “truth” really feel like they’re battling, exposing shit, etc when all they’re doing is serving their dialectical purpose.
ULTIMATUMS: STUDY THEM
Psy- Ops = ENTIRETY of “Truth Movement” whether people wanna accept it or not. ANd that may be hard for people to accept, but Acknowledgement of the Self Evident is what separates the REAL Arcane from those apron wearing fakers and the unwashed scum who serve them without even knowing it they’re so stupid.
“I do not yet have copies of The Kealey Papers”
So you are going off of images on a website? Do you know this man personally? Has this Mr. Kealey claimed that Alan Watt Plagiarized him?
“What’s more, entire pages in Watt’s heavily copyrighted .pdf files appear to have been photocopied strait from The Kealey Paper.”
You use the term “appear” because you do not have access to the actual texts you claim are plagiarized.
This is far from a burden a proof…
“No one could deny it. It was just too blatant what Watt had done. We all knew what was coming next.”
This is clearly a premature conclusion (or more obviously attempted coercion through “peer pressure” “Everyone is doing it man!”). Obviously you have forgotten that correlation does not equal causality.
You also, conspicuously, never attempt to address Mr. Watt’s claim that members of the outlawjournalism.com forums were distributing .pdf copiesof his Books (which ARE provably copy written!).
Then you go on to admit that several members of the forum put up pages using Alan Watt’s name and his image. Further, this person attempted to sell products using Alan Watt’s FACE! (Which is OBVIOUSLY NOT PLAGIARIZED MATERIAL)
“On this site he had links to Alan’s podcasts, and was selling t-shirts and coffee mugs with Alan’s face on them. ”
Where does someone get off doing something like this, without the man’s permission, in the first place!? You think because you have access to the internet you have the right to take someone’s face and stick it on a coffee mug and sell it!? Grow up! If you took an image of Alex Baldwin or some other famous celebrity and stuck it on a coffee mug and tried to sell it for profit you would be SUED INTO OBLIVION!
You go on to claim:
“He stated that he would be donating a portion of the proceeds of the sales to Alan Watt.”
Again, conspicuously (possibly sinisterly?) you offer no evidence that any money was ever paid to Mr. Watt!! Or that he approved or authorized such a “Charity” endeavor!
In actuality, your propositions are not backed by any evidence. (Yes I looked over Mr. Kealey’s webpages, which is mostly idiosyncratic esoteric masturbation) In fact your article itself is an admission that several of the outlawjournalism.com forum members engaged in criminal activity. This a juvenile attempt at investigative journalism at best, or a piece of slanderous propaganda at worst.
Nice try, your presentation has given no credulity to your “outlawjournalism.com” and in fact you, the writer, are suspect.
You are either a moron, or a spook.
Or both at the same time.
Put Out (Some Proof) or Get Out.
P.S. Alan Watt doesn’t sell .pdf files of his books, your constant reference to them is another admission that copies of his material have been made and circulated, and that is dangerously close to an admission of copyright infringement.
-Simon-Korah Bey
Has anybody else made an attempt to call alan watt out on his supposed plagiarism other then that bumbling idiot who called in? Lots of folks are calling watt a fraud, con artist. Why doesn’t somebody let their dangly bits drop and call in on his show and question him about it. Seriously, what the hell are all of you afraid of?
I’m not part of watts legion and i’m not a Watt-ite/wattist. I’m no follower of andre. I think they are both full of crap, especially andre and his very very slanted little write up that was written in a way to persuade his loyal audience to believe what ever he says as facts/truths. I’ll admit it. If i was stupid enough i would have easily been persuaded by it.
Either way and whatever is said on this forum and despite what anybody thinks, People need to give watt a ring and call him out and get some info out of him about Glens work. Put him on the spot and maybe hand him a shovel to dig his own ditch and lets see if he dances around like James Brown.
Or we can keep being childish, throw our big internet balls around and keep wrtting stupid comments and being the true spineless, mindless cowards we have been turned into….(the same thing i’m doing.)
And Andre, if you were anything resembling a man you would confront watt about his claims against you. Call him up and call him out. OR you can keep doing what you’ve been doing and hide behind your little website in the comfort of your home and feel safe being an arm chair journalist. Seriously man are that that afraid of him? Call the man, question him, maybe talk some smack and let him hang up on you.
By the way, I did hear his dog bark once on a show. A few minutes later Rick from California called all worried and scared someone was coming after watt. Watt when on to say something about when his dog barks it shakes the floor. I don’t remember what show it was but i do remember hearing this and being annoyed by Ricks whining and lame questions.
That was a great post…I love this site…Thanks
Are people still debating about this even though they have the ability to juxtapose Kealey’s and Alan’s work, and check for themselves that Alan Watt did rip off Glen Kealey?
People have phoned in. I was one of them. And Watt censored my mentioning of Glen Kealey. I suppose there is some logical explanation for Alan suppressing all of this. [/sarcasm]
I had the opportunity to look at the Kealey Papers and can say that much of what is included in Watt’s series 1 & 2 of CTTM was lifted directly from the Kealey Papers. It appears he used a copier and just started copying random pages from the Kealey Papers to include in his books, while presenting it like it’s his own material. It’s pretty obvious just by looking at and knowing Kealey’s work, what is his work (Glen’s) and what is Alan’s. And even most of the stuff Alan wrote himself was more or less lifted from Kealey in terms of the ideas. I mean, all this coding stuff Watt dabbles in comes from Kealey. All the troglodyte stuff you hear Watt talk about comes from Kealey. All the hermaphrodite stuff you hear Watt talk about comes from Kealey. Most stuff attributed to Watt really originated with Kealey (who Watt NEVER gives any credit), with the exception of the various books and documents he mentions quite often.
What’s interesting with Alan’s books is that he copied all this silly crap, but doesn’t even bother to mention what any of it means. It’s almost like he copied the Kealey stuff as filer and to add bulk to his rather flimsy books (which he charged $30 a piece for).
People can jump down Andre’s throat, but clearly they’re the ones who haven’t done the research because anyone that has will come to the conclusion that most of Alan’s information about Freemasonry and the occult comes from Kealey.
Juko,
This leaves us with the question: what is the mindset of a person who would simply photocopy entire pieces of books and sell them as their own material? Granted, Watt knew Kealey, and so knew that he would not pursue legal action against him, but did he just think no one was ever going to notice?
The other question is, as Alan is clearly not stupid, why did he choose to steal someone else’s work instead of putting together his own material? He does not seem to be simply an amoral thief, but also totally deluded.
How about you call him up and ask him your questions? He’s only a phone call away and you can expose him on the air? What real journalist wouldn’t take advantage of that.
BOOMSHOCKALAK,
One who works at the same time his show is on. I have attempted to dip out and use the phone during work, but I always just get put on hold. It would be nice if someone else would do it, honestly. They would just get cut off and have their call edited from his podcast, where the majority of people listen, but it would be noble none the less.
I think this thing is pretty well over anyway. Anyone who doesn’t get it by now isn’t going to. I mean we have the Kealey papers, and we have Kealey himself explaining what Watt did. What more can we possibly need?
Yea it would be nice if somebody could get through and question him. Even if it did get edited from his podcast it should still be on the original broadcast on the RBN site like the first caller who called out watt. But it seems as though he only accepts calls from loyal grovelers.
Here is something funny watt did yesterday. He put this youtube link on his site http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1GwDUx1Fc&feature=related
Then the same author of this video has one called “NWO Shills, Liars & Deceivers 1.0″ and guess who’s picture shows up? yup. Then in the part 2.0 of this video guess what phone call is in the video? The call were watt is confronted about kealy.
part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uUT6bUvpIw&feature=PlayList&p=2222C263A4238D94&index=12
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZd_Vw_OCo&feature=PlayList&p=2222C263A4238D94&index=13
I find it funny how watt puts up a link to a video were there’s a link to another video by the same poster that calls watt a shill. Maybe watt should take his own advice and check in on the source of these videos.
Check it out.
RE: the article
Andre, I appreciate the fact that the first half of what was written was fairly reasonable.
You nearly lost me when you started talking about Alan Watt leading you away from God and spirituality etc. At this point I realised you are full of delusional paranoid crap.
This was affirmed when I got the the part about alan watt threatening people. I listened to the audios. Your interpretation of what he was saying is delusional and ridiculous. I understand perfectly what he is saying.. there is nothing refering to violence. Theres a lot of stuff going on in what he is saying.. he is obviously uncomfortable about having anything to do with the trouble you guys are causing him because that kind of bullshit is not what he wants to be apart of. By friends he is obviously not refering to violence, but something like legal, IT and media.
The man just wants respect, and that means listening to him. Not allowing his work to be tainted by third parties. He has done so much to open our eyes, with a fearless, reasonable and intelligent approach, so he certainly deserves it.
If youre stupid enough to become so consumed by all his stuff without having any balance in your life, then perhaps thats why youre unable to grasp or appreciate what he is doing for people.
He is one man, for fucks sake.
x x Sarah
by the way… im not going to bother finishing this article because skimming through, ive noticed words like psychopath etc in reference to alan watt!?
You guys are all obviously really fucking stupid
One thing I will say for sure is that this is a hit piece, which frankly does not help any of us wake up, it basically tells people that Watt is garbage, which is not helpful. Alex Jones and Bill Cooper were like oil and water but I didnt know about either of them until very recently.
I am saving all the Glenn material i can find which is very very helpful but seriously alex jones is like NWO 101, Watt is Advanced NWO this Kealey man is like Doctorate of NWO truly had I found him first he would have been useless to me.
Before I started learning I happened across this book about zen, it says “you dont have a teacher for the teacher… if you cant throw it into the fire..blah blah” so basically, Alan watt could be cut and paste queen but if he can help me look up kealey’s skirt, i’ll deal with that, from listening to him, you know that this is just a door he is pointing at for you and that’s pretty much it.
when i first started listening to watt i thought, “this guy is on backwards” when i started listening to alex jones i thought “this guy must eat chocolate straight off the tree”
but without jones i would never have figured out or found bill cooper so basically this is our library of scholars please try to make as much of their work available as possible in beginner, intermediate and advanced level if you combine them all we can get a pretty good picture
One last thing, I am not upset at you for writing this piece, now i have this guy to wade through thank you for adding a new name to the mix, this will take a few bricks out of the wall
I heard alan criticising people on his show the other night for making a living off his material,yet he says nothing about ripping off kealey(can you say hypocrit).I’m so sick of hearing alan PANHANDLE the first 5-10 minutes of his show i can hardly listen anymore.This arrogant son of a bitch tried making me feel bad for not sending him my hard earned money,he was complaining about higher taxes on his prperty,like that’s the listener’s responsibility(hey allan my car insurance is due next month,send me some money asap),can you say chutzpah boys and girls
This site is total disinfo. Alan Watt always backs up everything he says. Or gives information that is easily researched and confirmed. He’s the only person I trust. The people running this site are “no planers” and disinfo!
Alan Watt provides incredibly valuable information for truth seekers.
Peace
just for a moment put yourself in the shoes of a ex soldier who’s mate’s are going at the rate of 1 or 2 a month we followed the royal flag and grew up in a country were how you spoke set were you sit at the table.. the fact that i am now a broadcaster myself in canada .and having tried to speak the truth in the uk
i was in scotland 2 years ago with my kids and was given the chance to do a small late night show and as
i was working on my first show my daughter said to me
that if i was to talk in the way that i can and do on my show in canada that i would be killed by the masions
no joke the fact that alan got angry with people lay’s
in the fact that unlike you hard is hard and when cornered the base element will show just like some gut reaction .you may not know real terror and fear
from the safety of a keyboard but this is real
i for one support alan and i do the best i can to read an think for myself as well this is so childish
as to who stole or cut and paste whatever
the dark power is real and care’s not that you try
it loves the malstrom of disfunction keep your eyes on the enemy its not alan watt
ps shine the light on the dark of the power brokers and read the policy documents
that far more important than this ego shit a j hunter vancouver canada
what no website post guess truth hurts
reply svp
This post and its comments ought to convince you of one thing. Don’t worship heroes.
Alan Watt is astonishingly well read and well informed. He knows more facts, lore, and cites on his subject matter than anyone else — AND he links it all together in a cohesive, synergistic manner. Despite the intensive negativity implicit in the subject matter, which he frankly acknowledges, Alan seems to keep himself very calm and collected. And surely that’s what happens after you absorb enough of this. I know it’s happened to me over the years, after first being angry, then depressed, etc. He also acknowledges there’s not much we can do about this, at least not in commonly known ways like forming organizations or writing our congress critters.
That is true.
I have only been listening to Watt for a few weeks, I’ve downloaded many of his audio files. I came across this post about a year ago, reading it with interest because I know of and admire Glen Kealey as well. Then just again this evening I came onto this post. So now I feel qualified to comment.
There’s an old saying, attributed to Rumi, who I suppose was part of the long term conspiracy, but who’s wisdom makes his proverb valuable: “Look not to my outward form, but take what is in my hand.”
As for what we can do to save ourselves from the NWO, please look into the Ringing Cedars / Anastasia phenomenon. If you don’t know of it, look it up. Alan Watt is spot on when he says we can’t “take back America,” etc. BUT, we can create what America should have been, sort of a nursery for yeomen; and ironically, it appears that a wonderful plan for doing just that has been put forward by a woman living in rural Russia, who’s only comment about whether or not she really exists is “I exist for those for whom I exist.”
Check it out, but don’t take any “wooden nickels” until you’re sure its for you.
As for Watt refusing to finger the Jews, well if you listen to a wide range of his talks, he does mention them quite a bit and he seriously deconstructs their religion on some of the early shows with Jacki Patru. And though he doesn’t rant on and on about The Jews, I suspect that most Jews will rate Watt among the “anti-semites,” based on what he does say about them. Anyhow, living in Canada, Alan Watt can’t really say too much about Jews, eh? And anyhow, there’s always the Judicial-inc site to handle that angle (thank heaven!). Most people eventually come to understand that whether you call them “illuminatti,” or “insiders” or “elitists” or “Anglophiles,” or “Jesuites” or “freemasons,” those running the show are mostly in some way members of the Tribe. Perhaps you have noticed that the only dangerous nazis around these days are Ashkenazis LOL.
All RBN shows appear to follow the same advertising model. Only the likes of Alex Jones “wheel on guests to scare the beejesus out you for half an hour and then sell you something”; so why the “begging bowl” model with Alan Watt?
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IMO 99% of the alternative media is part of the “Mockingbird” project,nuff said
He’s Anti-Brit Scot shil McGill begging pseudo teacher of crass mid life crisis syndrome
Who were the feckin Jacobites, anyhows?
Alan Watt is a right-wing yellow-bellied shitbag.
Alan Watt is a right-wing, yellow-bellied shitbag. His anti-welfare, anti-healthcare for all rants are particularly grating. It doesn’t matter how you dress it up, in the Flag of Liberty, fighting the NWO or whatever, it’s still right-wing propaganda, no different from a preacher on a right-wing “Christian” media outlet. I don’t know what Alan Watt’s problem is, but he has some serious obsessions and hang-ups, and judging by his broadcasts he is losing the plot.
I don’t know if we will ever discover what the real deal with this fookers is. Give me “socialism” over these fascists any day. Keep up the Good Work, Andre!
Alan Watt’s stuff is all recycled material mostly starting with ‘None Dare Call it Conspiracy’. One wonders if the guy has ever had an original thought of his own. when he does think originally it’s usually broad sweeping statements based on nothing substantial. Recently he compared Isaac Newton to Al Gore and all science is bogus. He’s an inflated ego. A closet socialist. A paranoid. Beware.
I know Alan. He’s never asked anything from me except for discussion. There are a couple of things I’d like to address, but would first like to note that I have done no research into ‘plagarism’ claims, I haven’t listened to the broadcast snippets cited…to me, they aren’t relevant.
First, his ‘monotone’ delivery and ’smoothness’ of speech is simply because that is all that Alan talks about…and this was so before he had his web-site and broadcast show. He is practiced and most comfortable when discussing the research. One thing I have noticed is that it is difficult to present a complete concept as a conglomeration of points without ‘blocking’ discussion of each individual points…which, in his case, may be perceived as ‘arrogance’ or ‘insistance on being correct’. I can only speak from my own experience.
I can also attest to his poverty, first and foremost displayed by his mechanical ingenuity (he will use bits and pieces from machines to create a new machine) and his skills with carpentry and handcrafting…these are skills not developed usually by ‘agents’.
Most importantly, Alan always expressed to me (pre-web days) that he was afraid that good information would be subverted by an implausible spin, and he stated David Icke’s presentation as an example…as well, he’d always given credence to other researchers in their ‘discoveries’…be it Bill Cooper, Ralph Epperson et al. and pointed out many books, articles and papers written by others which provided insight. Usually a person who has a ‘nefarious agenda’ for the manipulation of others eliminates the influence of all other books, articles, ideas and gives no credit to their authors. I don’t think Alan has done that…just the opposite actually.
The nature of this kind of research is dependant entirely on the research of others…it expands and grows as our understanding of history becomes clearer. The way in which Alan has put together this research is what is important. Nobody can deny the truth…and the truth should never be subordinate to the speaker. Despite issues any may have with Alan, look at the door he’s opened…
Another thing I’d like to address. You all assume that there is no ‘action’ and that his message is ‘defeatist’. In knowing Alan, this is incorrect. Alan will not be responsible for inciting violence…a quote from a conversation with him 5 years or so ago ‘Never ever fight for something, fight against something.’ If you’re needing action…then create awareness of any freedom restrictive legislation…etc. We quite often discussed the problems with awareness…hopelessness being one of the things that came up. There is no way around that. There is no immediate action that can be taken. It is a matter of making people aware so that when the time comes for the ‘big decision’ more people make the right one…or at least ask questions. That’s what makes this concept he’s presented personal. You view the world, look into how it works, accept that there will be a time where you must choose freedom over security….knowing that’s what you choose, and waiting for your opponent to attempt the check-mate…is very liberating. A part of that ‘liberty’ is in knowing that there isn’t much you can do except live your life ethically and naturally and/or increase others awareness of the choice. There is always hope…and that hope is justified by the fears of the establisment.
My research has branched off for my personal development, and I haven’t spoken with Alan for some time now. I quite enjoyed the many hours of conversation he and I had before he had ‘fans’. I’m sure he uses some research items I dug up before he had internet…doesn’t matter to me. I provided pieces to a mosaic, and it’s a mosaic that has been worked on since the first person to question things started questioning things. If you seriousely seek the answers to questions you have…then you will not be deterred by this. My understanding is that regardless of what road you take, what you read, who you listen too, the level of awareness you reach follows you…it grows way beyond the speaker, the writer, the author of any one thing in particular.
How many other concepts have been buried by the foibles of human personality? … sad to say, but we are our own worst enemy…is it any wonder ‘conspiracy’, when said, is accompanied by a smirk?
Alan Watt’s not a bad guy he’s just a paranoid. He’s got a sickness. But then again, if he didn’t have it he wouldn’t get past all the stuff you think is ‘normal’ to reveal there are bad guys out there out to get you!
@ One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Alan admits as such; I recall him saying: “I’ve got a form of autism that let’s me see things as they really are.”
Alan also encourages reading, you really have to make the effort to read, there is only so much you can learn from watching youtube videos.
Alan recommends a lot of good books, one such book is Propaganda by Jacques Ellul, now that is an eye-opener of a book.
Re: Jackie Petru, I’ve listened to a few of her broadcasts. What’s that with the chiming-clock in the background? Sounds very unprofessional, or is that to throw us of the scent. And what short wave transmitting site was she using, because it sure isn’t cheap to broadcast on short wave.
Alan’s “show” is on at 8pm EST (7pm CST), hardly peak-audience time; cuttingthroughthematrix.com receives approximately 4000 “hits” per day. Do we assume that his radio audience is roughly equivalent to his website audience? Say 1 in 100 “listeners” “donate”, say $10 a month, that would give an income from his listeners of $400 a month. OK, its possible to “play” with these figures as at best they are a wild guesstimate.
A couple of things I find puzzling, is that he always emphasises the point that he never “asks” for anything, but this doesn’t rule out being “given”.
I very much doubt that he receives any income from RBN and he more or less pays for the airtime for being given a “platform”.
He also like to use the word “donations”, why? For tax avoidance/evasion purposes.
And what about the likes of Alex Jones?, Alan features heavily in the Fall of the Republic as well as being a guest regularly on Alex Jones radio show. Are we to believe that Alex Jones does not “donate”. Does Alan Watt freely give his time to someone who is so obviously profiting from it? Does he believe that “getting his message out” to be that much more important.
And finally, why since he does not appear to be in proper employment does he not claim some form of Government support? Is he really that “principled”.
Its all become very apparent what the likes of Alex Jones agenda is, Alan Watt appears to be the fly in the ointment, someone we can’t just put our finger on, as we search constantly for clues. I somehow doubt that we will ever unearth “the truth” as regards this character, though we can always live in hope.
Great forum Andre, and good to have somewhere to discuss such issues.
Any of you guys n gals ever phoned Alan, he must be the only talk-show host that you can phone at home!
I am really sorry that the situations haven’t been handled in a much better way.
Sometimes it’s left to one individual to make things go better if not to attempting to solve the problem by putting aside feelings and conversing in a mature and rational way and that hasn’t happened here.
scots tend to be hard realists. the irish like mysef are more romantics. alan speaks the truth guys which lots of you can’t face because the world is a hard cold place but we still need dreamers. god bless you all.
@seamus
dreamers don’t speak the truth they speak fantasy. a person may have good intentions but good intentions are not the truth. the truth is, conspiracy theorists will cherry pick and invent information or facts to support their theories in exactly the same manner that climate ’scientists’ do and did to support global warming. i’ve never found anything to verify that aldous huxley was a bad guy who advocated anything he wrote about in Brave New World, that he was a member of the RIIA, etc. his only crime is to have been born into a wealthy family and the brother of julian who apparently was. being guitly by a genetic association then becomes a circular argument that supports darwinism and destroys itself! does ‘predictive programming’ apply to ‘The Fall of The Republic’ or only to projects that Alan Watt is NOT involved in??? Be careful what you accept as ‘truth’ whether it’s from MSM or ‘alternative’.
Seamus,
tá Brionglóid an lae inniu freagraí a thabhairt ar an lae amárach ceisteanna
[Dreams are today’s answers to tomorrow’s questions}
’s Sé searbh ciallóidh na hAlban olc a fhios go léir
Ok just read this whole thread in one sitting, I’d give it to Watt by a country mile. Andre seems to have had his feelings hurt.
After finally tracking down and listening to a few hours of Glen Kealey audio, I have to say that Kealey seems like nothing more than a Jordan Maxwell type. In other words, he seems like someone who got a dose of secret truth a long time ago, developed huge overconfidence because of that, and has since gone on to spin his own mind out of reality, concocting ever more baseless theories that are supposed to explain more and more of reality.
It is also very obvious to me that Kealey’s thought barely overlaps what I’ve heard from Alan Watt over the last year of listening to the latter’s show. I do not believe 100% of what Watt says either, and believe he makes some missteps here and there, but Watt definitely doesn’t go into the baseless mumbo jumbo that I heard just now, for two hours of audio, from Kealey.
Kealey is another psycho-numerologist and psycho-linguist detective. YES it is worth studying the history of language, particularly the history of the English language–but there’s a point beyond which you can just make any connections that you want. I just heard Kealey say that (GASP!) the IRS, Paris, Sri Lanka, and several other places/institutions were all really THE SAME THING…because they have the letters I, R, and S in them. Also, he went on for ten minutes listing names and places with the letters U and S in them, concluding that somehow all of these things are tied together and that the United States is just the contemporary version of them. He said that Jesus basically stands for the United States…because there’s a “us” in Jesus and because the United States is also a “US”. So they’re the same.
It’s ridiculous, this stuff. It’s the same with numerology taken too far, because you can perform any sort of operation you want to make anything “say” anything you want it to say. And if you’re a paranoid man (perhaps for good reason), then subconsciously you’re going to end up arriving at the shocking answers you want to come up with. Glen Kealey has not uncovered some “secret code” within the English language; he’s simply a guy who plays his own word games and pretend they explain the universe. This is the same tactic that Maxwell and Tsarion–at their worst–do all the time. It’s a tactic that can soon spin out of control if the findings aren’t vigorously scrutinized. Because of course there IS some interesting numerological or linguistic occult knowledge out there. But guys like this will find shocking, “deep” insights in EVERY number and word. They’re just not reliable.
Alan Watt has his problems (deriving, in my opinion, from being a little too paranoid), but he certainly doesn’t go into the realm of the completely irrational or supernatural, and he certainly doesn’t pretend he has all the answers. Kealey, on the other hand, DOES believe he has all the answers, and this is why Kealey isn’t really trustworthy. Kealey is too sure of himself. When an interviewer tells Kealey that Watt says “No one has all the answers, so think for yourself”, Kealey gets indignant and launches into some condescending, delusional, self-important diatribe about how Watt just doesn’t want to really educate people.
As far as past “crimes”, however…
Personally, I would have to see a side-by-side comparison of Kealey’s material and Watt’s before commenting. The above pictures of “cave-dwelling troglodytes” doesn’t really tell me anything, since the image itself seems to be a joke. Or perhaps Kealey didn’t intend it as a joke, but Watt reprinted the picture only to critique it on the following page as an example of misinformation. I really have no idea. While I acknowledge that I am a fan of Alan Watt, on the other hand he personally has let me down a couple times (quoting out of context a few times, misquoting passages of books, not being able to provide sources to his paraphrased quotations), so I think it’s possible that perhaps he lifted material in an inappropriate way from Kealey.
But on the other hand, I’m just baffled as to what information Kealey would have that Watt would need at this point. Because I really heard nothing of value, and nothing that sounded like Alan Watt, from the hours of listening to Kealey that I’ve just gone through. Nor does anything on Kealey’s old websites–nothing that I see–remind me of Watt.
As far as why Alan Watt in the ’90s would call Kealey or subscribe to Kealey’s newsletter–well, why wouldn’t he? Alan Watt and Alex Jones also “call each other often” to “pick each other’s brains”, so why does that mean that Alan Watt was necessarily preying on Kealey in some way? Alan Watt was apparently from Scottland and then he moved to Canada. In the days before the internet, why WOULDN’T a guy like Alan Watt want to track down whoever he could in his adopted country who seemed to offer SOME insight? In the days before the internet, why wouldn’t Alan Watt subscribe to any ragtag newsletter that he could, to try to get any of this sort of information that was out there? It all seems to make sense to me.
And on the other hand, with a guy like Glen Kealey, who seems very old and proud of himself, of course he’s going to want to play up Watt’s indebtedness to him.
But this is a guy who will tell you that PaRIS, France, is really cut from the same cloth as the IRS. Because there’s an IRS in both words. GET IT?! That’s deep secret language codes right there, man. And they’re also going to blow up the moon and turn all of the US and Mexico into a swamp, because, errr, that’s the meaning of “Gomorrah”, somehow.
Kealey seems like a nice old man and I’m sure he hit on a couple truths in his time, but saying Alan Watt ripped him off is like saying that Alex Jones and Alex Jones’ whole operation is a ripoff of Michael Tsarion. There’s just hardly any connection.
I believe that Alan Watt does subscribe to various journals; he mentioned that he used to subscribe, until it became too expensive, to Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council On Foreign Relations.
OOTW
Wow, I am amazed that this discussion is still getting hit.
Very well said Cooper.
What a load of rubbish this article is. Thanks to all the people who saw through it, you saved me a lot of time for i would’ve ripped it apart had it not been done yet competently.
Alan Watt is one of the very few people i know of that i can confidently without reservation say that i have respect for - ultimately i owe to him for having been woken up to real sentience.
i’ll just add one thing: concerning his alleged lack of spiritual content (utter nonsense) and defeatist mentality - you simply don’t understand his message at all. To me what he once said is the most inspiring thing ever (i’m paraphrasing): if the best we can do is to wake up to awareness ourselves as individuals, and we can not wake up other people or the masses, then maybe that’s even more important ultimately.
And i think so.
So you keep your God and your “spiritual” message, “Andre”. No tyrant Gods need apply as my rulers for me to reach spiritual reality.
Hi,
For all of you confused about whether Alan actually stole anything from Glen, here is a thread from the forum where the theft is comprehensively documented:
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3909
Alan Watt is a right-winger, as is Alex Jones. Picture the kind of world that we would live in if they had there way; one over-run by a “Free Market” economy where the poor were exploited and the destitute left to starve. But, hey Alan Watt and Alex Jones would be doing well, living “high on the hog”. It’s time these charlatans were exposed. Time to turn their shit off! Well done, Andre!
I wasn’t exposing Alan Watt as a right-winger. I am not even sure I understand what you’re saying here. Anyway, thanks for the support, buddy.
It’s obvious from reading Alan Watt’s books that he has written the main body of the text. OK, he’s “borrowed” a few images from Kealey or wherever to pepper throughout the text for what appears to be for illustration and to break up up the body of the text. Whatever this dude is “guilty” of, it’s not plagiarism!
To quote Alan:
“We are spirits descended into matter for a purpose. Understanding this and fulfilling this is the meaning of the term “having life, and having it more abundantly.” This does not mean the accumulation of products. It means “doing that which is true.” Truth is eternal. It cannot alter. Only TRUTH will MAKE you FREE.”
(c) Alan Watt
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No unauthorised copying, transmission or duplication
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@ J “ultimately i owe to him for having been woken up to real sentience” - same here. And for which I will always be grateful.
We need to keep our minds active and look at things from all angles, only in that way to we have a chance of understanding the big picture. Alan is is a (big/small) part of that picture.
Alan is no God though, just another flawed human being like rest of us, but I believe that he knows, understands and accepts that.
Credit where credit is due.
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